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What equipment is manditory for a PPL check ride?
Airspeed indicator
Altimeter
Compass
Airspeed indicator
Altimeter
Compass
Everything in 91.205 for Day VFR flight, plus all "Required" equipment in the aircraft's equipment list, and any equipment required for Day VFR in the aircraft's Kinds of Operations list in the AFM/POH. Also, a 2-way VHF comm radio and some sort of radio nav equipment for Area VII Task B and Area IX Task F. Also, everything in the Applicant's Checklist in the PP-Airplane PTS (including the aircraft maintenance records and a vision-restricting device). While there is no requirement for an attitude indicator and gyrocompass (DG/HI), you might want to have them for the instrument events including unusual attitude recovery unless you're really good at needle-ball-airspeed instrument flying.What equipment is manditory for a PPL check ride?
Airspeed indicator
Altimeter
Compass
You need a radio navigation device for Area IX Task F. It can be a VOR, GPS, or ADF, but you must have something you can track. But I think it can be a handheld -- ask the examiner.The reason I ask is a buddy just told me his CFI said he needs a VOR for the PPL checkride.
You need a radio navigation device for Area IX Task F. It can be a VOR, GPS, or ADF, but you must have something you can track. But I think it can be a handheld -- ask the examiner.
The plane has a panel mounted (Air Gizmo) Garmin 296 GPS, would that work?
At least two FSDO's where I've checked said it's OK for helos but not airplanes (the section in 8900.1 covering this only talks about helos). Other FSDO's say it's OK. Doncha just love standardization in the Flight Standards Service? I haven't asked AFS-600, from where the definative answer would come. Ask your examiner ahead of time so there's no problem when you show up with a handheld or other non-installed GPS (with the AirGizmo, only the docking station is actually "installed").That's what we used in the helicopters for the Private and Commercial since we didn't have VOR's. I checked with our FSDO and they said no problem.
Isn't that one of those white sombrero shaped gizmos that usually are rooted to the ground?The reason I ask is a buddy just told me his CFI said he needs a VOR for the PPL checkride.
Isn't that one of those white sombrero shaped gizmos that usually are rooted to the ground?
Isn't that one of those white sombrero shaped gizmos that usually are rooted to the ground?
That's it! When the FAA decommisions the VOR's, we can turn the ones on airports into a new fly-in Mexican restaurant chain.Is that what those are? I always wondered why someone would put a taco stand out in the middle of nowhere.
That's it! When the FAA decommisions the VOR's, we can turn the ones on airports into a new fly-in Mexican restaurant chain.
This is a PTS and FAA Order issue, not an FAR issue. FAA Order 8900.1 says the following about the matter:Anyone have the FAR's handy that cover this? It is coming to a head and we need some info to make our case. The installed 296 has the capability in the panel page to act like a VOR reciever. That should be good enough for a check ride right? I mean this is a check ride for a PPL, not flying the Space Shuttle.
The FAA is on record as saying "equipped" in this context means legally installed, not just carried by the pilots, and the NTSB supports that position. The only written exception for handheld nav devices is specifically for helos. Unless you obtain prior approval from the examiner (which for a DPE may involve contact with the DPE's supervising POI), you should expect to be turned away if you show up for a PP-Airplane practical test without an installed nav receiver of some type (ADF, VOR, or GPS). Is the 296 legally "installed" or is it just plugged into an installed docking station? Is it an approved nav system? What does the installation paperwork say?2) Except as provided in § 61.45, an aircraft used on a practical test must be equipped for each area of operation and task required by the appropriate PTS. The equipment shall have no operating limitations that would prohibit the aircraft’s use in any of the required areas of operation and tasks. The aircraft must have at least two pilot stations with adequate visibility for safe operation and, when the examiner is in a jump seat, the aircraft’s flight deck and outside visibility must be adequate to permit the examiner to evaluate the applicant’s performance.
Well, long story short, the CFI won't sign off the student to go for his check ride unless there is a VOR installed in his plane. He bought one on e-Bay and installed it over the weekend. Hopefully it works!
Even though the FSDO said the GPS is fine, the CFI does not agree and made him install the VOR.
Inappropriate behavior for the CFI. I'd avoid this instructor in the future.Well, long story short, the CFI won't sign off the student to go for his check ride unless there is a VOR installed in his plane. He bought one on e-Bay and installed it over the weekend. Hopefully it works!
Even though the FSDO said the GPS is fine, the CFI does not agree and made him install the VOR.
I agree, FSDO, DPE say it's not needed and CFI says spend a couple of AMUs before I sign?? Not right.Inappropriate behavior for the CFI. I'd avoid this instructor in the future.