That was your FIRST IR lesson -- holds and approaches? Your instructor operates off a different syllabus than I do, and no wonder you had trouble with them. Email me if you want to talk about it.
There's something to be said for starting with basics. Did your CFI teach steep turns on your first time up?Sounds like your CFI did a great job of showing you what you'd be doing throughout the instrument training you'll be doing.
Bravo to your CFI for not pussyfooting around and getting right to the meat. I bet your next lesson will be all basic attitude stuff.
This would be how it should start. Gotta learn to walk, first.Sounds complicated for a first IR lesson.
My 1st lesson I did Basic Attitude Instrument (BAI), Power Configuration Changes, Straight & Level, Turns, and scanning. Joe Areeda taught me.
My discovery flight was hard IFR. I shot the ILS. I turned out OKThere's something to be said for starting with basics. Did your CFI teach steep turns on your first time up?
I didn't see the complexity as being what caused me problems, more the wind (it would've been better to have started on a non-windy day) and me choosing the wrong heading. My basic hood work (which wasn't long ago) my instructor said was very good. He also knows that I tend to prefer a more challenging curriculum. I certainly didn't feel overwhelmed or overloaded, I enjoyed it.
But I am always interested to hear how others do/have done it and gain more perspectives.
My discovery flight was hard IFR. I shot the ILS. I turned out OK
There's something to be said for starting with basics. Did your CFI teach steep turns on your first time up?
It should be under the hood. That's the whole purpose.Nope, but my first instrument lesson was all under the hood, some basic maneuvering, a hold, and terminating in an ILS to runway 22 at KAEG. I wish my instructor had gone more in depth with it like Ted's did, maybe I'd have been interested enough to finish my IR.
He said it seemed like I really wanted to fly so he didn't want to make me wait. Most likely--he probably just needed some more ramen that day. I didn't really have any problems on the flight but it isn't like it was hour 1 for me.Lemme guess -- brought it in with two inches of clear ice, and the field was 200 RVR with 002 OVC??
You're a ^%$$ Genius, Gump!
I'm noticing a divide here.
CFIIs: "What?! No no no, this is the proper way to do it."
IR students: "Hey, I liked it this way and it got my interest."
(I say this without the intent of saying the CFIIs are being nagging, I know it is with the best interest of students in mind)
While both are very important, the second one is what leads to getting more people to fly. Granted, I am getting my instrument rating regardless of whether or not the process is particularly fun, but if it's fun and I enjoy it, then all the better. One thing I know about myself is that traditional, proven methods of teaching normally bore me.
Anyways, I did not want (and do not want) this to be a debate on things where eveyrone obviously has an opinion on and those differ. There are no doubt virtually infinite routes on how to become a proficient instrument pilot. Which one is "best" is also virtually infinitely debatable.
I'll ask that a moderator close this thread now, this was NOT the intention of my original post.
Oh.. and one more thing ("Yes, Detective Columbo?") -- get up into the clouds with your CFII as soon as possible. You'll have a whole new respect for the self control it takes to fly IMC (and put me down as one of "the hood don't cut it" crowd).
Wait, wait, before you close the thread I want to say that, again, it's a case of "know the student". Even though I have not met either you or Jesse I can sense that the two of you are the adventurous type who are comfortable with being plunged into new things. Other students might be overwhelmed and intimidated and never come back. Most times the CFI doesn't know the student well at the beginning of training, therefore it's a good idea for to take the conservative approach. At least that's my two cents.I'm noticing a divide here.
CFIIs: "What?! No no no, this is the proper way to do it."
IR students: "Hey, I liked it this way and it got my interest."
Awww, Ted. We all applaud you on your first lesson. Though it sounds like it really was your second.I'm noticing a divide here.
I'll ask that a moderator close this thread now, this was NOT the intention of my original post.
Awww, Ted. We all applaud you on your first lesson. Though it sounds like it really was your second.
Unintended consequences - you opened up a dialog on teaching/learning styles. Go with it. These discussions are good for all of us.
I'm noticing a divide here.
CFIIs: "What?! No no no, this is the proper way to do it."
IR students: "Hey, I liked it this way and it got my interest."
Sounds complicated for a first IR lesson.
My 1st lesson I did Basic Attitude Instrument (BAI), Power Configuration Changes, Straight & Level, Turns, and scanning. Joe Areeda taught me.
CFIIs: "What?! No no no, this is the proper way to do it."
IR students: "Hey, I liked it this way and it got my interest."
I think you'll find the divide exists more as:
1) I have over 1000 hours, you need to listen to the way I do stuff, its the only right way
2) I only have a few hours, but man, this seems to be sticking!
High hours doesn't have to equal pompous wand waving, but it sure tends to.
I remember well... some nine hours of my first dozen were in simulator.And all that is mastered in the sim before we ever get into the airplane.
I've try to remain humble with my students. A few times, I've said... "You're doing great! You don't need me." Though a student's wife once riding in back disagreed.Not in the GOOD instructors.
Ted, nice meeting you yesterday, too bad I didn't get a chance to talk to you much. Good luck on your instrument training!
I've try to remain humble with my students. A few times, I've said... "You're doing great! You don't need me." Though a student's wife once riding in back disagreed.
I do think it's humbling to let the student know how important the basics are and if it was tough for you, heck, tell them. I have no problem telling someone I was stumbling at that point as well but I got through it with persistence and a good instructor pacing me along the way.
I have no trouble with demonstration rides very early in the training process as an interest-piquer, but it must be recognized that little or no effective training occurs on them.
I'd agree 100%. You might not draw much from them, but they're sure fun, probably for both the CFI and the student. That seems like enough to make it worthwhile for me.
Hmmm...
It all seems to come back to knowing the student, doesn't it?
I have to agree. How can you practice holds and approaches when you haven't yet mastered basic attitudes?