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I'm surprised no one has suggested the British approach - one month of campaigning and that's it. Think of all the money saved on advertising. Think of all saved time and mental health because we only have to suffer for a month.
 
Let's see if people are able to control themselves this time.

As far as only one month of campaigning, totally agree. I remember them having a limited time frame in Canada also.
 
Zeldman said:
Personally I would like to see the campaign season last 1 month, plus no negative mudslinging. Sell your parties benefits or keep quiet.
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That would be interesting to moderate. It would be like POA; someone will make a 'wink, wink' comment that isn't blatantly partisan, but you can see were they're going with it. Then you'll have people who simply don't care. Rules are for suckers.
 
Everskyward said:
That would be interesting to moderate. It would be like POA; someone will make a 'wink, wink' comment that isn't blatantly partisan, but you can see were they're going with it. Then you'll have people who simply don't care. Rules are for suckers.
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Yeah, I know. A person can dream, can't he.?? :lol:
 
Everskyward said:
That would be interesting to moderate. It would be like POA; someone will make a 'wink, wink' comment that isn't blatantly partisan, but you can see were they're going with it. Then you'll have people who simply don't care. Rules are for suckers.
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But on PoA, if one or two make those "wink wink" comments, then everyone suffers because the thread is locked down for no more participation. Effective moderation should only be directed at the offenders, not those who keep the discussion above level.
 
Doc Holliday said:
But on PoA, if one or two make those "wink wink" comments, then everyone suffers because the thread is locked down for no more participation. Effective moderation should only be directed at the offenders, not those who keep the discussion above level.
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Sometimes, they do seem to direct their punishment at the offenders.
Ask me how I know.
 
Zeldman said:
Personally I would like to see the campaign season last 1 month, plus no negative mudslinging. Sell your parties benefits or keep quiet.
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Personally, I like the mud slinging; if it is true!
How else are we supposed to know the crappy stuff someone has done if nobody tells us?
 
Something I've noticed is the difference in advertising for the Senate race between the candidate-approved and "others". The candidate-approved are always specific to the candidate, never refers to the opposition, pretty colors, incredibly positive. The "others" are downright vicious and malicious. Almost all of those are from out of state.

Let's add another critieria - only those organizations or people who live in the state, are allowed to advertise pro/con a candidate. And no fair taking money from out of state.
 
Everskyward said:
Let's see if people are able to control themselves this time.

As far as only one month of campaigning, totally agree. I remember them having a limited time frame in Canada also.
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Interesting thought, but I think it would stomp all over freedom of speech, freedom of the press, right to assemble, and probably a few other things. So step one might need to be a repeal of the Constitution. And if we do that, why have an election at all?
 
Half Fast said:
Interesting thought, but I think it would stomp all over freedom of speech, freedom of the press, right to assemble, and probably a few other things. So step one might need to be a repeal of the Constitution. And if we do that, why have an election at all?
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There goes someone's self-control... whoosh!

And you don't have freedom of speech on POA... ;)
 
Doc Holliday said:
Effective moderation should only be directed at the offenders, not those who keep the discussion above level.
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That's the same as when little Johnny can't shut his trap and the teacher makes the entire class stay in for recess. That's whats being taught now as "management" in many places. What little Johnny really needed was a thing we use to call comeuppance.

The next great idea was to give everyone a participation trophy as we can't let no one's feelings get hurt ...
 
Everskyward said:
There goes someone's self-control... whoosh!

And you don't have freedom of speech on POA... ;)
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Of course not on POA. But that's not the topic of discussion. Limiting campaigns to one month, while it might be nice, can't be done under the Constitution. Nothing "uncontrolled" in that; simply pointing out the reality.
 
I feel without rules be can not exist. It is that simple, POA has rules, the country has rules.

When we tolerate the break down of rules that we depend on we are a doomed to failure.
 
A few things equally likely.

I will grow a full head of hair again
My knees will rejuvenate themselves.
i will win the Powerball Lottery three consecutive months.
The FAA will issue me a 3rd Class Medical after Bypass Surgery without an SI.
Brad Pitt will declare me his successor.
And Finally,

Trump and Biden will decline the Nominations, Direct their Delegates to declare me the nominee of both parties, I receive the vote of entire electoral college and Peace, Prosperity and Harmony reign supreme.

Cheers
 
Half Fast said:
Interesting thought, but I think it would stomp all over freedom of speech, freedom of the press, right to assemble, and probably a few other things. So step one might need to be a repeal of the Constitution. And if we do that, why have an election at all?
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Please cite references in the Constitution or Amendments. The only specific dates I remember are election and swearing in of the new Pres. The reason for the months in between was for people to travel by horse to the capitol. And new congressional members are sworn in days/weeks before the Pres.
 
X3 Skier said:
A few things equally likely.

I will grow a full head of hair again
My knees will rejuvenate themselves.
i will win the Powerball Lottery three consecutive months.
The FAA will issue me a 3rd Class Medical after Bypass Surgery without an SI.
Brad Pitt will declare me his successor.
And Finally,

Trump and Biden will decline the Nominations, Direct their Delegates to declare me the nominee of both parties, I receive the vote of entire electoral college and Peace, Prosperity and Harmony reign supreme.

Cheers
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We all dream of the day. :)
 
Half Fast said:
Interesting thought, but I think it would stomp all over freedom of speech, freedom of the press, right to assemble, and probably a few other things. So step one might need to be a repeal of the Constitution. And if we do that, why have an election at all?
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That is the goal
 
murphey said:
Please cite references in the Constitution or Amendments. The only specific dates I remember are election and swearing in of the new Pres. The reason for the months in between was for people to travel by horse to the capitol. And new congressional members are sworn in days/weeks before the Pres.
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Simpy refer to the first amendment of the Constitution.

How do you stop someone from verbally advocating for a candidate or putting up a billboard in, say, June, without violating the Constitution? How do you stop me from trying to persuade a neighbor to vote a particular way? How do you stop a newspaper from writing an editorial favoring a candidate? How do you ban a rally? ALL of that is protected expression.
 
Daleandee said:
That's the same as when little Johnny can't shut his trap and the teacher makes the entire class stay in for recess. That's whats being taught now as "management" in many places. What little Johnny really needed was a thing we use to call comeuppance.
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Or maybe some peer pressure.
 
Or maybe Johnny needs a spanking for not listening to the teacher after the sixth time of being told to be quiet. ;) (I know, that is considered uncivilized and backwards, besides being illegal for a teacher.) In my experience, peer pressure usually works the opposite way, at least in children 5 and under. They can't remember past what is exciting right now, and being loud is always more exciting than being quiet.

I think they figured out how to ban a rally, though - it's called a virus...
 
murphey said:
I'm surprised no one has suggested the British approach - one month of campaigning and that's it. Think of all the money saved on advertising. Think of all saved time and mental health because we only have to suffer for a month.
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But how would you enforce it. If someone else talks about a candidate constantly for 2 years before the 1 month starts, is it any different? Are you suggesting any type of political speech to be limited to one month before elections?

Limits on political speech have been proposed and even passed by Congress, but struck down by the Supreme Court...Citizens United v Federal Election Commission comes to mind. The 1st Amendment does not permit the government to place limits on what private individuals or organizations say politically. It would be chilling if they could.
 
I would like to see the ability to turn off ads for things you don't intend to buy or in this case support for office. Show me something else but don't show me something I have no interest in.
 
denverpilot said:
Seems like it doesn’t matter much how long the marketing session runs for selling garbage. It’s still garbage.
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That's definitely true. At least they don't call on the phone anymore, or maybe I have a good enough blocking scheme now.
 
bflynn said:
Really? I didn't see that advocating for any particular position, more like warning against an extreme position via sarcasm.

Maybe we just read it differently.
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Maybe, because I thought it was an overreaction to a suggestion, and it wasn't even my suggestion.
 
Everskyward said:
Or maybe some peer pressure.
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When we would be in Church my father would sit next to my mom with his arm on the back of the pew around her. As kids we would sit a row or two behind them. When we started misbehaving dad would turn back and give you "the look" and we knew he was only gonna do that once. If you didn't settle down you were going outside for some "peer pressure" or whatever word you'd like to give it.

Even in the animal world the mom will nip or swat at a young off spring that gets out of line. We have lost that in this country and we are now paying the price for it.
 
Daleandee said:
When we would be in Church my father would sit next to my mom with his arm on the back of the pew around her. As kids we would sit a row or two behind them. When we started misbehaving dad would turn back and give you "the look" and we knew he was only gonna do that once. If you didn't settle down you were going outside for some "peer pressure" or whatever word you'd like to give it.

Even in the animal world the mom will nip or swat at a young off spring that gets out of line. We have lost that in this country and we are now paying the price for it.
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While I might agree with you to some extent, POA is a bunch of adults who should be able to police themselves. The mods don't have time to watch over every thread or debate every post that is borderline. Besides, once someone crosses over, we know the whole thread will go downhill because people can't resist replying. Therefore the lock
 
Even this thread is a lock candidate because of the commentary on Moderation.

There's no way to win.
 
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Everskyward said:
While I might agree with you to some extent, POA is a bunch of adults who should be able to police themselves.
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I don't think we disagree at all. People need to act like responsible adults but that don't happen much anymore because many folks didn't learn it as a child. We no longer teach the respect of authority i.e of God, parents, government, police, teachers, (forum moderators) etc.

Still, I have a strange belief that among pilots you will find some of the best in humanity. Why? Because pilots have to have discipline as the laws of gravity, chemistry, & physics don't alter and the lesson for ignoring them will be very costly. Some rules you just can't break.

So is life ... there are many folks that have wisdom but one must have understanding of how that wisdom is to be applied. Without that you will find some highly educated people that are "smart like a rock and quick like a tree" and others that may not have the greatest education that have some of the most intense insight & understanding of the world around them.

Sorry for the way off topic ... I'll give it a rest!
 
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Ravioli said:
Even this thread is a lock candidate because of the commentary on Moderation.

There's no way to win.
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I think we were considering 'commenting on moderation', speculating on why X got the banhammer, or people complaining about why their post was deleted, etc., not a blanket ban on questions about moderation.
 
Zeldman said:
Sell your parties benefits or keep quiet.
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That's part of the problem - it should be about the particular candidate, not the party. And if it's about the individual then yes, a short campaign season should be all that's needed.
 
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