Paris attack.... how might we protect ourselves?

[Fearless Tower]

What have the Irish given the world but the potato famine?

Guinness. They gave us Guinness.

 

[N801BH]

Let me ask this. your "culture" and history of "culture" aside. What have YOU contributed to society?

They say my generation is the entitled generation. Boy do we have a lot to learn on that subject from you.

You "might" be a bit premature in that observation..

IIRC, you are a teenage kid living at home using a computer bought by your parents, and using their internet connection they pay for and flushing your parents toilet that drains into a sewer system our generation built so turds don't back up in your parents bedroom, and drive on roads our generation built so you can attend schools our generation built so you can run up a massive student load debt that will probably get defaulted on so our generation will have to "borrow" from our paid into SS dollars to cover the younger generations spoils...

Until you start paying into the system and pulling your load, I suggest you lay low, stuff your face with mom and pop paid for delivered pizza and look at the BIG picture on the evolution of the U.S.A...... IMHO.

 

[Norman]

Guinness. They gave us Guinness.

Some good whisky too.

 

[Phoenix]

So you have a habatrail of homogeneous average IQ mice. You add non-homogeneous lower IQ mice into your habatrail. What do you get? At best lower average intelligence, and well, diversity + proximity = war. Ever drop a black ant in a red ant colony? Our modern children haven't, but you folks over 40 have. You could share what happens, or just watch America.

 

[Mtns2Skies]

You "might" be a bit premature in that observation..

IIRC, you are a teenage kid living at home using a computer bought by your parents, and using their internet connection they pay for and flushing your parents toilet that drains into a sewer system our generation built so turds don't back up in your parents bedroom, and drive on roads our generation built so you can attend schools our generation built so you can run up a massive student load debt that will probably get defaulted on so our generation will have to "borrow" from our paid into SS dollars to cover the younger generations spoils...

Until you start paying into the system and pulling your load, I suggest you lay low, stuff your face with mom and pop paid for delivered pizza and look at the BIG picture on the evolution of the U.S.A...... IMHO.

Dont make assumptions Ben it doesnt suit you. I'm a mechanical engineering student paying for my own school with ZERO debt thanks to internships and co-ops and other saved money while I worked in High School. I paid for my CPL on my own and when I graduate I should have enough money to buy a Cessna 180. By all rights I'm more successful than most people your age. As far as contributing to "the system" I've been paying plenty at my co-op where I made ~55k(as a student) a year the Gov't took plenty of that. Not to mention as an engineer I contribute to improving society in ways only non-engineers can dream of. Engineers built this world and everything around you.

So no. I am not entitled, unless you want to claim responsibility for the companies I've been working at too, which you in particular had no part of.

 

[paflyer]

Some folks (including several here at POA) confuse it with a race though.

Disagreement with the policies and actions of someone who doesn't look like "us" is labeled "racist." It's a Rules for 'Radicals' technique.

 

[paflyer]

The refugees destined for the US have been screened, numerous times

They are not the same ones that came this summer into Greece.

The pool for the US is different than the pool that was in Hungary and moving to Germany : France.


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How do you know?

 

[N801BH]

Dont make assumptions Ben it doesnt suit you. I'm a mechanical engineering student paying for my own school with ZERO debt thanks to internships and co-ops and other saved money while I worked in High School. I paid for my CPL on my own and when I graduate I should have enough money to buy a Cessna 180. By all rights I'm more successful than most people your age. As far as contributing to "the system" I've been paying plenty at my co-op where I made ~55k(as a student) a year the Gov't took plenty of that. Not to mention as an engineer I contribute to improving society in ways only non-engineers can dream of. Engineers built this world and everything around you.

So no. I am not entitled, unless you want to claim responsibility for the companies I've been working at too, which you in particular had no part of.

Kool...

Glad to hear you are a homeowner paying property taxes and living the American dream....

Ps.... What is this ( co -op) thing you speak of???

 

[Anthony]

When terrorists, and/or mass shooters face armed resistance they typically kill themselves. The key to limiting the damage is armed resistance from civilians already on site. Police take a long time to respond, and in that time terrorists can kill a lot of innocent people.

First learn and practice escape, and evade tactics. Avoidance is #1. If you are willing, get your CCW/LTCF permit, get training, and practice. It may save your life, and your loved ones lives. If you are uncomfortable with guns, then again escape, and evade tactics can also save your life.

 

[dell30rb]

Kool...

Glad to hear you are a homeowner paying property taxes and living the American dream....

Ps.... What is this ( co -op) thing you speak of???

Its basically where you go to work an entry level job for a company in your field of study, you get paid and you get academic credit. The earnings you receive do not count against any financial aid you may be eligible for.

 

[Fearless Tower]

Disagreement with the policies and actions of someone who doesn't look like "us" is labeled "racist." It's a Rules for 'Radicals' technique.

There are people guilty of confusing it on both sides in this thread.

It certainly seems that the decision to kill the SZ was a bad one for the overall health of POA.

 

[N801BH]

Its basically where you go to work an entry level job for a company in your field of study, you get paid and you get academic credit. The earnings you receive do not count against any financial aid you may be eligible for.

Interesting.....

The kid fresh out of high school bringing in 55k at a job he is not even degreed to perform....... SWEET....

Wish they had stuff like that when I was growing up....

 

[JoseCuervo]

Interesting.....

The kid fresh out of high school bringing in 55k at a job he is not even degreed to perform....... SWEET....

Wish they had stuff like that when I was growing up....

Pretty common.

My kid was getting $28/hr for summer internships, plus living stipend, moving expenses, and a per diem.

Such a lack of quality STEM students and grads, companies are quite generous locking up good ones prior to degrees being granted.

 

[Henning]

Ok, this I get. I would suggest though, that this conflict might have to do more with traditional things- conflicts over power and resources than actual scripture. Using and abusing religious text to whip a population into a frenzy and justify a war over something else is a pretty old human story.

I'll have to check out that article, I admit to only skimming through but the concepts seemed familiar.

One hand grenade I'll throw into the thread in the meantime is this. I think the only two ways to deal with ISIS in an effective way are these..

1. A huge WWII scale military mobilization of most western nations followed by a complete takeover of the entire middle east and heavy handed treatment of any suspected extremists. We're talking big tax increases and possible drafts domestically. We'd have to educate and westernize the heck out all those people, we'd have to maintain political and military control for a couple of decades, and we'd loose a lot of treasure and oh yes there will be a lot of death. Honestly, it would be something of a horror. I know I'm not selling it well, it's not my preference, but in my mind this works better than whatever it is we think we're doing now with small scale attacks and arming this and that group.

2. Walk away. Get out of the middle east, if we need to contain them fine, if they carry out an attack and we need to go hunt down the specific person(s) responsible, fine but keep it targeted and minimal. Let ISIS conquer the whole region, let them form their Islamic state. Yes, that will be bloody... for people in that region. Sure, I know we're all afraid of these guys having that level of power and potentially WMDs. However, at this point they'd be a large nation state with, most importantly, central leadership. That's something we can negotiate with, form treaties, trade deals, etc with. That's something we can actually threaten economically and militarily. That's also going to be a modern wealthy nation with higher standards of living and education. Not the kind of place that breeds extremism.

I want to do #2.

Both of those choices will still lead to the end of our society. Doing the wrong thing won't save us, doing nothing won't save us, only doing the right thing will save us. It's time as a nation and a species we start doing the right thing.

 

[JoseCuervo]

There are people guilty of confusing it on both sides in this thread.

It certainly seems that the decision to kill the SZ was a bad one for the overall health of POA.

Plenty of "code words" and "dog whistles" to easily identify the racists and bigotry.

 

[Mtns2Skies]

Interesting.....

The kid fresh out of high school bringing in 55k at a job he is not even degreed to perform....... SWEET....

Wish they had stuff like that when I was growing up....

Not fresh out of high school. With two years of engineering I'm more qualified than you'd be. Unless you're a lot older than I think, they did have it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_education

Also it's a summer and a semester of work so it's 8 months of work vs. just 2.

 

[Fearless Tower]

Not fresh out of high school. With two years of engineering I'm more qualified than you'd be. Unless you're a lot older than I think, they did have it...

I'm guessing you don't know Ben's background....

 

[Mtns2Skies]

I'm guessing you don't know Ben's background....

If I misspoke I apologize.

 

[Gerhardt]

I'm guessing you don't know Ben's background....

I don't know his background, but I know some of the stuff he posts around here. Thanks, but no. There's a reason I have him on ignore.

 

[N801BH]

If I misspoke I apologize.

No problem buddy....

To clear the air.. Mtns2Skies is a good kid.. We used to chat on POA back what chat was active and he seems to be smart and focused....

By beef is not with him personally but the "entitlement" comment set me off a bit....

Our generation was taught to get out in the world at 18, get a job, buy a home, save money and THEN buy toys to play with..


When I hear kids living at home and wanting to buy planes before / instead of their first home, I seriously question if they really understand that image portrayed is a poster child of the word " ENTITLEMENT".....

 

[Everskyward]

That advice about buying a home early is not that great. It can be an albatross if you need to relocate frequently for you career when young. Glad I ignored it and didn't end up owning a home until my mid-30s. Of course people's situations are different but this is another perspective.

 

[nddons]

The refugees destined for the US have been screened, numerous times

They are not the same ones that came this summer into Greece.

The pool for the US is different than the pool that was in Hungary and moving to Germany : France.


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Not according to US Rep. Peter King, among many others. He said that those assertions are completely untrue, and that there is no known way to vet these people, who likely have no identification and can say they are whoever they want to say they are.

 

[PPC1052]

Plenty of "code words" and "dog whistles" to easily identify the racists and bigotry.

I can't stand these personal attacks when discussing a difficult, challenging, and potentially deadly issue. It's just intended to shut down debate and make particular debate that needs to happen not happen.

 

[N801BH]

That advice about buying a home early is not that great. It can be an albatross if you need to relocate frequently for you career when young. Glad I ignored it and didn't end up owning a home until my mid-30s. Of course people's situations are different but this is another perspective.

Good point on buying a house..... Kids can still rent apt's / houses can't they. ?

 

[Everskyward]

Good point on buying a house..... Kids can still rent apt's / houses can't they. ?

Yes, but I make no judgments in other people's living situations. There's nothing wrong with having a multigenerational home. In fact many immigrants do this because they can't afford it otherwise.

 

[Phoenix]

That advice about buying a home early is not that great. It can be an albatross if you need to relocate frequently for you career when young. Glad I ignored it and didn't end up owning a home until my mid-30s. Of course people's situations are different but this is another perspective.

Yup. Houses are like student loans that need airplane expense level maintenance. Home ownership is another thing that has gone from freedom giving to the exact opposite. You don't own a home the school/select boards own you.

 

[Mtns2Skies]

When I hear kids living at home and wanting to buy planes before / instead of their first home, I seriously question if they really understand that image portrayed is a poster child of the word " ENTITLEMENT".....

You can sleep in a plane, but you can't fly a house!

You're right about that. My priorities are askew, but since I was 13 I dreamed of owning a plane so I'll make whatever sacrifices are necessary to do so ASAP, right or wrong.

 

[Fearless Tower]

I don't know his background, but I know some of the stuff he posts around here. Thanks, but no. There's a reason I have him on ignore.

Perhaps, but I'll bet your reasons for having him on ignore have nothing to do with his understanding of engineering. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Mtns2Skies]

Perhaps, but I'll bet your reasons for having him on ignore have nothing to do with his understanding of engineering. That's all I'm saying.

I dont know his background and I wont hazard to guess, just keep in mind "building" and "engineering" are two very different things.

Edit: I know Ben built a zenith with a ford engine

 

[JoseCuervo]

No problem buddy....

To clear the air.. Mtns2Skies is a good kid.. We used to chat on POA back what chat was active and he seems to be smart and focused....

By beef is not with him personally but the "entitlement" comment set me off a bit....

Our generation was taught to get out in the world at 18, get a job, buy a home, save money and THEN buy toys to play with..


When I hear kids living at home and wanting to buy planes before / instead of their first home, I seriously question if they really understand that image portrayed is a poster child of the word " ENTITLEMENT".....

Look at the costs of a home in many areas. Look at average cost of a home in SF, NYC , or Jackson Hole. No way a typical young person can buy one, nor should they.

Also, the "younger" generation is more interested in experiential accomplishments and less interested in materialistic accomplishments.

And, the " older" generation left this country $18 trillion in debt. They are not good fiscal role models.

 

[Phoenix]

Look at the costs of a home in many areas. Look at average cost of a home in SF, NYC , or Jackson Hole. No way a typical young person can buy one, nor should they.

Also, the "younger" generation is more interested in experiential accomplishments and less interested in materialistic accomplishments.

And, the " older" generation left this country $18 trillion in debt. They are not good fiscal role models.

+1,000

 

[SCCutler]

The refugees destined for the US have been screened, numerous times

They are not the same ones that came this summer into Greece.

The pool for the US is different than the pool that was in Hungary and moving to Germany : France.


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I rather suspect that there are among them many who are better-trained and better-prepared for their assigned missions. Hope I am wrong.

Plenty of "code words" and "dog whistles" to easily identify the racists and bigotry.

Not sure I am understanding what you've written here.

There are those who contend that people who express opinions containing certain "code words" are, regardless of the actual content of the message or the opinion expressed, actually expressing racist or bigoted viewpoints. This practice (the practice of recharacterizing what someone has said or written in order to ascribe otherwise-unstated foul motives to the speaker) is a form of intellectual terrorism, an attempt to deprive a person of the right to express a sincerely- and honorably-held belief by applying a veneer of evil onto them.

It is dishonest, unfair and antithetical to honest and honorable debate. It is, indeed, a blatant form of bigotry in itself.

I trust that this is not where you are going.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Not according to US Rep. Peter King, among many others. He said that those assertions are completely untrue, and that there is no known way to vet these people, who likely have no identification and can say they are whoever they want to say they are.

If you are interested, here is the process:

http://time.com/4116619/syrian-refugees-screening-process/?xid=tcoshare

 

[N801BH]

Look at the costs of a home in many areas. Look at average cost of a home in SF, NYC , or Jackson Hole. No way a typical young person can buy one, nor should they.

Also, the "younger" generation is more interested in experiential accomplishments and less interested in materialistic accomplishments.

And, the " older" generation left this country $18 trillion in debt. They are not good fiscal role models.

You do realize that half that debt was run up in the last 7 years and mostly given to social programs and scams like "shovel ready projects" aimed at the youth.... And the motive was to buy votes......

I will say it again... The kids are royally *ucked....

 

[N801BH]

You can sleep in a plane, but you can't fly a house!

You're right about that. My priorities are askew, but since I was 13 I dreamed of owning a plane so I'll make whatever sacrifices are necessary to do so ASAP, right or wrong.

I really like this kid..... Admits he is skewed in his spending habits, and confesses it is aviation related......

 

[docmirror]

I rather suspect that there are among them many who are better-trained and better-prepared for their assigned missions. Hope I am wrong.



Not sure I am understanding what you've written here.

There are those who contend that people who express opinions containing certain "code words" are, regardless of the actual content of the message or the opinion expressed, actually expressing racist or bigoted viewpoints. This practice (the practice of recharacterizing what someone has said or written in order to ascribe otherwise-unstated foul motives to the speaker) is a form of intellectual terrorism, an attempt to deprive a person of the right to express a sincerely- and honorably-held belief by applying a veneer of evil onto them.

It is dishonest, unfair and antithetical to honest and honorable debate. It is, indeed, a blatant form of bigotry in itself.

I trust that this is not where you are going.

Of course that's the plan. Deprive the opposition of their voice.

Gee - where has that happened recently? Hmmmm, it's a true conundrum. Letting people voice there sincere ideas counter to the current national trend.

One more voice silenced. One more counterpoint missing. One more skull crushed under the banner of 'progress'.

Well, I guess sorry for the left turn rant there, but your post is just dripping with the hypocrisy of it all. This is not to say you're wrong in your statement, as it were. In fact I agree with almost all of it. Too bad that soon we'll be muzzled. Have a nice day.

 

[JoseCuervo]

You do realize that half that debt was run up in the last 7 years and mostly given to social programs and scams like "shovel ready projects" aimed at the youth.... And the motive was to buy votes......

I will say it again... The kids are royally *ucked....

Yes, the "older generation" is *ucking the younger generation, no doubt about it.

and, If "social programs" means social security, medicare, and military, then, yes, I agree.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Of course that's the plan. Deprive the opposition of their voice.

Gee - where has that happened recently? Hmmmm, it's a true conundrum. Letting people voice there sincere ideas counter to the current national trend.

One more voice silenced. One more counterpoint missing. One more skull crushed under the banner of 'progress'.

Well, I guess sorry for the left turn rant there, but your post is just dripping with the hypocrisy of it all. This is not to say you're wrong in your statement, as it were. In fact I agree with almost all of it. Too bad that soon we'll be muzzled. Have a nice day.

Do those "opinions" help with the goals of POA?

Help build the Community.
Encourage discussion, interest and education in all things aviation.

If you were a "______________ (fill in the blank)" minority, would you view POA as a welcoming and inclusive community?

 

[N801BH]

Yes, the "older generation" is *ucking the younger generation, no doubt about it.

and, If "social programs" means social security, medicare, and military, then, yes, I agree.

Hmmmmmm...


Let's look at your last Pie Chart...

Us old people have PAID into Social Security for decades.. We just want our investment back...

And that is 1/3 of spending... Which REALLY isn't spending at all. it is distributing funds BACK to the people who have paid into Social Security....

The next 1/3 is mislabeled as it doesn't say MEDICAID too. That is FREE stuff for people who do NOT pay any income taxes..

Now, let's review the rest of your pie chart..

Military =16%... We need that to stay safe.. DUH..

Interest on debt = 6%... Both sides of the aisle are corrupt and should never have agreed to deficit spending.....

Veterans Benefits= 4%.. Remember Veterans don't get this amount.. The VA ,with their massive corruption and now bonuses get alot of that amount so big government eats most on the 4%.....

Food and Ag...

85% goes to pay for food stamps for people who have NEVER paid income tax or into the "system"...


Education = 3%.. I am not sure where the feds pizz this away as 83% of the local property taxes =( thousands of dollars each year) goes to schools...

Transportation= 2%... Last time I looked the feds and state took a cut out of each gallon of fuel I bought to fund transportation.. This is NOT an expenditure.... This is just a return of collected taxes.....

Housing =2%... Most of this goes to people who have NEVER paid local and income taxes and this funds section 8 Housing.....

International Affairs = 1%..... Ask Hillery where the money went and what we got in return for funding half assed, crooked countries all around the world.....

Energy & Environment = 1%... Funding for that is prepaid through taxes on crude oil, nat gas and taxes on our power bills.. The feds are just returning our money already paid to them...

Science=1%... These are the idiots who claim sea level was going to rise and flood Florida and New York City last year..... Total BS and a waste of funds..


Next question Jose....

 

[JoseCuervo]

The feds are just returning our money already paid to them


Next question Jose....

Brilliant analysis by you. Yes, all expenditures are just returning/spending money already paid (or borrowed if people don't pay enough taxes).

But, if you look at the top chart I posted, you will see it is a bunch of old guys that are making the decision on overspending and undertaxing.