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I'm a first generation of pilot in my whole family history. When I was very young, my mom told me I could be whatever I wanted to be. As a naïve little kid, my response was "I want to be a bird!" I guess I found the next best thing. I moved from NY to NC when I was 13. After saving up enough money mowing lawns, I had enough to take my first few flight lessons when I was 14 years old. By the time I was 15, I was working close to 30+ hours a week while in high school to follow my dream of being a pilot. My parents were VERY supportive, but were not of the means to pay for my lessons although helped ANY time they could! As long as my grades stayed A's and B's, my parents allowed me to work as much as I could in order to pay for lessons. And I did just that. About every two weeks, I'd have just enough to take one hour or so lesson to keep my interest up. At 16, I soloed! within a year or so, I became a private!

The dream continued with me going to a four year private university in North Florida as well as a conjoined flight school. Even with a pretty nice academic scholarship, a few small grants, being an RA by my second semester of freshman year and throughout the next couple years (which paid all my room and board), managing an on campus fitness center (paid a few grand towards tuition), being in student gov't (another grand or so), and working on the weekends as a bouncer, I STILL did not have enough money to continue my schooling as I'd ran out of financial aid (the plight of the lower middle class: too "rich" to get grants, too poor to pay outta pocket). So I dropped to extremely part-time status and got a full time job at UPS (which I got promoted to supervisor in an extremely short amount of time) as well as bouncing, serving, and other odd jobs to pay what little tuition I could to take a class and/or associated flight course here and there. Unfortunately, tuition and flight costs kept rising and that just wasn't enough. So I dropped out completely, started my own construction business with my brother (we installed garage doors) and successfully made enough money on the books to woo banks into private student loans to finish my degree. almost TEN YEARS LATER, I had worked hard enough to graduate with a Bachelor's Degree in Aviation management and Flight Operations, as well as achieving my Commercial ASEL, CFI, CFII.

Unfortunately, it was just in time for the airlines to be in shambles and a complete lack of worthwhile jobs to now pay the MASSIVE amount of student loan debt I had (especially the raping I took from the private loans [which should flat out be illegal]). So I stayed in business just to be able to pay off the bills and did almost no flying other than recreation for a couple years. Thanks the economy taking a dump, especially in the housing market, my business actually fell apart. Well hell!

It worked out ok however as it was just the jumpstart I needed to dive head first back into the passion I had since I was a child. So ramen noodles, mac and cheese, water and flight instructing it was as I barely found a job in the Chicago area thanks to a friend! It turned out to be a great choice as in just a little over one year, I had built up a reputation as a successful and passionate instructor with a great pass rate for my students. Then I started building up a HUGE clientele of doctors and lawyers with planes to fast for their abilities, and flight reviews, aerial photography, tour rides around the city and ferrying planes around the country, etc. Pretty much anything that would get me flying, seven days a week, early morning to late night. I built up well over another 1000 hours of instructing and various other flight time working like a dog in just one year's time. I even squeezed in my add on Commercial AMEL into there and got a decent time built in that ever important multi.

Here's where luck and fate played in. A tip from a friend told me a certain airship company was looking for a pilot. I figured, what the hell, I'll give it a shot not thinking I'd even stand a chance. Next thing I know, I get a call back. It turns out that all the things that slowed me down in life lent itself to the particular experience they were looking for. I had the flight time, but more importantly I had the managerial experience they were looking for (as pilots in this company were also managers of a large support crew that works on the blimp) and I also had the public relations experience that was necessary for a job in the media limelight (mainly my networking to be in business at a young age taught me how to work with public). About 8 or 9 interviews later and months down the line, I got hired to my current job as a blimp pilot.

I could not be luckier and more happy with where this journey of becoming an aviator has taken me. Moral of this long bio... If you want it bad enough, DO NOT GIVE UP no matter what sacrifices it takes. I know not everyone gets the lucky break in this very fickle industry and I hate to hear how especially poor the regional level airliners are treated. So I would not recommend anyone to think this is a job of glamour without realizing the insane amount of sacrifice and years that go into making any sort of living in this job, not to mention an insane amount of student loan debt that'll take until you're well into your 40's to pay off (unless mommy and daddy are rich). But if it's a true passion to want to do what most only dream of doing and are willing to take precious years of sacrifice, you can and will succeed. Reach for the skies! And learn to love ramen noodles!
 
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Please edit post to add paragraphs. Great story, but many won't read because of format.
 
Welcome to PoA. Kudos to your achievement; a reward for your tenacity in the face of adversity. Keep on blimpin!
 
Welcome to POA ,nice to have a blimpilotbaboard.
 
Sorry for the lack of paragraphs. Fixed that. And thanks for the welcome. I've read MANY threads on this site, but never joined and posted until today. I look forward to reading others stories and hope to meet some like minded passionate pilots along the way!
 
Welcome to POA...:cheers::cheers:...

As for the "blimp" thing....... Did ya marry Kimberly?:confused:..

Ps.. it is an inside joke...:D;)
 
I can only imagine the blimp lady joke ypu are trying to imply. I've never heard that before
 
Great story, and welcome aboard.

I didn't actually strive to get into the world of aviation, it found me and simply knocked on my door. I walked into the CEO's office one day and we were chit chatting and he handed me a flyer (containing contact information for a local CFI) and asked me if I had any interest in learning to fly. After meeting with the CFI, I took off of work for a couple weeks in order to try and focus on learning to fly. I've been participating in GA now for only about 4 years, but I'm on my second airplane, so I guess I just got the fever once I found out what I had been missing out on.
 
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Apologies in advance for the blimp gig. Judging by your location, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you work for Goodyear. At least that company treats you with respect and pays you well. As you will soon learn (if you haven't already), the other blimp operator is a totally different game.

But if the blimp gig suits what you want to do, more power to you. It was fun for a while, but it got old quickly.
 
Apologies in advance for the blimp gig. Judging by your location, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you work for Goodyear. At least that company treats you with respect and pays you well. As you will soon learn (if you haven't already), the other blimp operator is a totally different game.

But if the blimp gig suits what you want to do, more power to you. It was fun for a while, but it got old quickly.

Do tell. I know nothing of blimp work, nor does it ever remotely interested me, but I'd love to hear how's it different than 135 or 121 work.
 
Great story. My aviation path has led working as a fed in DC flying a desk. It has it's pluses and minuses, but it's still aviation.

Always cool to hear about airship pilots; not to many around.
 
Do tell. I know nothing of blimp work, nor does it ever remotely interested me, but I'd love to hear how's it different than 135 or 121 work.

Well, if my assumption is correct, he works for Goodyear. You have a base, you live in that base and travel a little bit (maybe a couple months a year, tops). Otherwise you are at home. The other blimp company has no bases for their airships, the clients just move them around wherever they want them. You literally live in hotels 11 months out of the year and get vacation the other month. Two years of living in hotels and eating food in restaurant or cooked in a hotel room food gets old.
 
Well, if my assumption is correct, he works for Goodyear. You have a base, you live in that base and travel a little bit (maybe a couple months a year, tops). Otherwise you are at home. The other blimp company has no bases for their airships, the clients just move them around wherever they want them. You literally live in hotels 11 months out of the year and get vacation the other month. Two years of living in hotels and eating food in restaurant or cooked in a hotel room food gets old.

He is absolutely correct. Yes I work for Goodyear. Been with them for almost four years now. And we do have it made. We travel maybe 100 days a year and when we do, it's mainly travel our whole crew looks forward to (get away from home for a bit for a change in scenery, get a break from the gf lol).

The other only company in the U.S. Is the Van Wagner group (formally Lightship group). They are literally nomads for their entire careers. That may suit some just fine, but I like to see my home, get back to said girlfriend, pets, etc personally. The worst part with Van Wagner is every ship is contract based. If that sponsor goes away or contract ends (for example, DirecTV no longer wants a blimp with their name on it), everyone on that crew is laid off. Kinda a crappy deal for someone who just spent a year or two on the road for your company.

Goodyear treats all their employees from pilots on down to the many jobs on the ground crew (A&P's, Electronic Technicians, crew chiefs, diesel mechanics, riggers, handlers, etc) with respect and appreciates them. And the job is secure. He'll we've been flying blimps since 1919! I did luck out on getting on with them.
 
The other only company in the U.S. Is the Van Wagner group (formally Lightship group). They are literally nomads for their entire careers. That may suit some just fine, but I like to see my home, get back to said girlfriend, pets, etc personally. The worst part with Van Wagner is every ship is contract based. If that sponsor goes away or contract ends (for example, DirecTV no longer wants a blimp with their name on it), everyone on that crew is laid off. Kinda a crappy deal for someone who just spent a year or two on the road for your company.

That's not exactly how it works, when it comes to a ship coming off line, but it's close enough. They do try to keep the senior guys and move the junior guys out of the company, but its not on paper anywhere that it has to happen that way.
 
He is absolutely correct. Yes I work for Goodyear. Been with them for almost four years now. And we do have it made. We travel maybe 100 days a year and when we do, it's mainly travel our whole crew looks forward to (get away from home for a bit for a change in scenery, get a break from the gf lol).

The other only company in the U.S. Is the Van Wagner group (formally Lightship group). They are literally nomads for their entire careers. That may suit some just fine, but I like to see my home, get back to said girlfriend, pets, etc personally. The worst part with Van Wagner is every ship is contract based. If that sponsor goes away or contract ends (for example, DirecTV no longer wants a blimp with their name on it), everyone on that crew is laid off. Kinda a crappy deal for someone who just spent a year or two on the road for your company.

Goodyear treats all their employees from pilots on down to the many jobs on the ground crew (A&P's, Electronic Technicians, crew chiefs, diesel mechanics, riggers, handlers, etc) with respect and appreciates them. And the job is secure. He'll we've been flying blimps since 1919! I did luck out on getting on with them.

OK, I'm convinced. Is Goodyear hiring? :)
 
I wouldn't mind being a blimp driver for a day. But I know myself enough to know I'd hate the day in day out of it.

It's sad you had to work so hard and stumble so many times to finally get to a point in your career where your happy. Aviation should be hard, but not that hard. I sorta got lucky at the start of my career. Flight school was relatively cheap and the GI Bill picked up most of it. Think my private cost around 3K and the rest was 25K including all the CFI stuff.

Into an RJ for 5 years...bankrupt. B727 freight...hated that. Corporate Piaggio...loved it but bankrupt.

So it hasn't all been lucky, but I'm still flying. I'd go back 121 if I had to but I really like corporate. The one thing I really like about blimps is how easy they are to spot. Ever heard of a midair with a blimp? Me neither.
 
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I'd wouldn't mind being a blimp driver for a day. But I know myself enough to know I'd hate the day in day out of it.

That's the truth. Its fun for a bit, then gets old when the day to day pressures of operations sink in. Ever had to rest your pilot certificate on trusting 11 low paid (almost minimum wage) earners to land your aircraft? Fun stuff, I tell you.
 
Blimpin' ain't easy. Somebody had to say it. Nice write up!

As a matter of fact, blimpin' is not easy! Try outrunning a thunderstorm going 20-40kts! And Crosswinds.... I'm a 200 foot sail with one wheel that swivels and my brakes are 14 people catching it. Crosswind shifts SUCK. But at least if I lose my engines I can counteract gravity! lol
 
That's not exactly how it works, when it comes to a ship coming off line, but it's close enough. They do try to keep the senior guys and move the junior guys out of the company, but its not on paper anywhere that it has to happen that way.

I know it's not exactly. But Van Wagner (TLG) at one point last year was down to only two Snoopies. So to even be senior enough to stay on, you had to have been around for a while. They laid off a ton of people. We got a lot of applicants from them but unfortunately we didn't have openings. When did you fly with them? What ships?
 
That's the truth. Its fun for a bit, then gets old when the day to day pressures of operations sink in. Ever had to rest your pilot certificate on trusting 11 low paid (almost minimum wage) earners to land your aircraft? Fun stuff, I tell you.

And again a difference between our two companies. We are very supported by GY if we have to cancel. Even if we traveled to an event and the weather is dicey, they always trust our judgment. I've heard about TLG and the pressure of flying x amount of hours to meet contract making you sometimes fly in stuff you shouldn't have.

And luckily our ground crew is paid pretty well. No one is disgruntled and they do a great job landing us! I feel if you had gotten on with GY, you'd have stuck around. I know the struggles you guys go through for sure. I feel for it
 
I know it's not exactly. But Van Wagner (TLG) at one point last year was down to only two Snoopies. So to even be senior enough to stay on, you had to have been around for a while. They laid off a ton of people. We got a lot of applicants from them but unfortunately we didn't have openings. When did you fly with them? What ships?

They had 3 Snoopy ships (don't forget Japan). But yeah, it's been rough from talking to my former co-workers. They kept a lot of pilots & crew chiefs around and got rid of the ground crews. I flew in 2011-2013, it was fun for a while, but the dead-endness of the job with no raises in pay or any clear cut paths to promotions was part of my decision to leave. I flew the Snoopy ships, DTV and a couple other short term contract small ships.

And again a difference between our two companies. We are very supported by GY if we have to cancel. Even if we traveled to an event and the weather is dicey, they always trust our judgment. I've heard about TLG and the pressure of flying x amount of hours to meet contract making you sometimes fly in stuff you shouldn't have.

And luckily our ground crew is paid pretty well. No one is disgruntled and they do a great job landing us! I feel if you had gotten on with GY, you'd have stuck around. I know the struggles you guys go through for sure. I feel for it

That's another big difference. I flew in a lot of weather I'd rather have not been out in. Lots of 14+ hour single pilot days, because that's what the clients wanted, certainly safety wasn't the number one priority at times, IMO. I know some guys who had previously worked over there at GY and while it does sound better, it just didn't interest me.

I bailed out, went 135 cargo on a long shot for a piston twin. 8 months after that, I moved up to a 1900 and couldn't be happier with how its worked out.
 
I bailed out, went 135 cargo on a long shot for a piston twin. 8 months after that, I moved up to a 1900 and couldn't be happier with how its worked out.

I'm glad you got into something fruitful! And hell, you have one of the rarest add ons in the world and some good stories to tell I'm sure!
 
I wouldn't mind being a blimp driver for a day. But I know myself enough to know I'd hate the day in day out of it.



It's sad you had to work so hard and stumble so many times to finally get to a point in your career where your happy. Aviation should be hard, but not that hard. I sorta got lucky at the start of my career. Flight school was relatively cheap and the GI Bill picked up most of it. Think my private cost around 3K and the rest was 25K including all the CFI stuff.



Into an RJ for 5 years...bankrupt. B727 freight...hated that. Corporate Piaggio...loved it but bankrupt.



So it hasn't all been lucky, but I'm still flying. I'd go back 121 if I had to but I really like corporate. The one thing I really like about blimps is how easy they are to spot. Ever heard of a midair with a blimp? Me neither.


I don't mean this in any mean way, but isn't it a bit odd to call being laid off for the third time in a 20 year career when you're in your 40's, "Lucky"?

Only in Aviation. Wow.

No offense want at all, but there are days I'm really happy I bailed when I did. No debt incurred back then.

Sure, jealous of your office view from time to time, but really happy not to be convinced my third company bankruptcy was in any way normal.

Even the place that laid off 400 out of 500 of us in a single day in Tech wasn't bankrupt. They limped along and sold the place for $7M cash to the two owners after all the debts were paid off.

It amazes me what y'all will do to fly for a living. Honestly it does.
 
Only two companies went under. What keeps me up some nights is I turned down an interview at NetJets back in 2003 before either folded. Had I taken the job then I'd have hit the lottery.
 
Only two companies went under. What keeps me up some nights is I turned down an interview at NetJets back in 2003 before either folded. Had I taken the job then I'd have hit the lottery.


Heh. Probably true. We all have those stories.

I'd already qualify for "retirement" if I'd have stayed at the oil company I started at or the next little place I worked at for almost a decade, through all their mergers and acquisitions.

I even went back at one point and worked for them again for seven years. Good company. Had more to do with going back to work for a good manager and mentor, but he wouldn't be there still if the place were bad.

Both times I left, it was out of sheer boredom with what they had me doing.

Current stock ticker, PLCM. Maybe they'll keep that one for a while.

I don't like being bored. But there's costs associated with not wanting to simply warm a cubicle. And benefits of not doing so, sometimes.

Was the pay at the other place better than NetJets when you made the decision? Or was it something else? I'm always fascinated in what really drove the decisions.

Freakonomics the book (and later ones), and the study of seemingly non-sensical economic decisions is totally fascinating to me. I easily see it in all sorts of places, including my own decisions. I eat that stuff up.

The bastards that wrote that book probably know why, too. And aren't saying. ;)
 
If I hadn't turned down the ATC interview I might have been retired for a few years already.
 
I'm glad you got into something fruitful! And hell, you have one of the rarest add ons in the world and some good stories to tell I'm sure!

The biggest downside of Goodyear for me would have been the locations you guys operate at. None of the 3 are really places I'd like to live, so that kind of puts a damper on it. I did enjoy flying the larger ships more, I will say that, and most of my time was in the big ship. So I imagine the GZ-20A's would be fun to fly and now the NT's are a totally different game. Much nicer.
 
If I hadn't turned down the ATC interview I might have been retired for a few years already.

And if I hadn't left Boeing, I'd be retired. But had no interest in moving to Seattle or St Louis and pretty much everything in Denver dried up. Months of twiddling thumbs and web surfing led to intolerable boredom.
 
The biggest downside of Goodyear for me would have been the locations you guys operate at. None of the 3 are really places I'd like to live, so that kind of puts a damper on it. I did enjoy flying the larger ships more, I will say that, and most of my time was in the big ship. So I imagine the GZ-20A's would be fun to fly and now the NT's are a totally different game. Much nicer.

Yeah, Cali is too expensive and Akron... Well nothing more needed to say. Being a Carolina boy myself and even going to school in Jacksonville (basically southern GA), having to move to southern FL was a bit of a culture shock. And the Yankees here 4 months out of the year are almost completely intolerable (and that's coming from someone born in NY). But no winters, bikinis everywhere, and being at the absolute right place at the right time at the bottom of the housing market crash to where I picked up an awesome home for dirt cheap, I'd say it's not that bad! I can do 30 here

The 20's are a fun ship. Like a hippo on ice to land, but she's very stable. It takes TLG guys that came over a little bit of time to get used to the trimming with dual ballonets, but other than that, prob not too much different from The A170's. Now the NT... those are just baller!
 
I was a captain at ACA / Independence making 54k or so. I was also being displaced to the right seat due to downsizing so I sent out some resumes to see what there was. NetJets offered and interview.

The interview was Monday and the Friday before the company called me and told me they redrew the line and now I'm NOT getting downgraded.

At the time NetJets started at 27k or so. This was pre-contract at NetJets. So I talked with my wife and we decided to decline the interview. Worst decision of my life.
 
Jeez, these stories are kind of making me a bit nervous as a young guy trying to get into a flying job. I figured that it'd be a pain a lot more often than other careers, but yikes.
 
After 9/11, when a lot of pilots was scrambling for a job, I applied for a job as a regional sales director for a large outdoors hunting and fishing company. They told me to expect to make upwards of 200k after sales bonuses. I turned it down to go back flying the bush for 55k....

The bright side is the bush experience led to an air ambulance job which has turned into my own expanding air/ground ambulance company, so no regrets. But it has been a long struggle, and it is still not easy.
 
Jeez, these stories are kind of making me a bit nervous as a young guy trying to get into a flying job. I figured that it'd be a pain a lot more often than other careers, but yikes.

Remember, as a professional pilot, you're a commodity. Fot the most part, everyone meets the high standard. Since there is no other way to differentiate performance, you live and die by seniority number. In other industries, people move around to make their way to the top earning tier. In aviation, you do that by staying put and becoming most senior.
 
Jeez, these stories are kind of making me a bit nervous as a young guy trying to get into a flying job. I figured that it'd be a pain a lot more often than other careers, but yikes.

Don't give up. Its been sort of a struggle for me, and I changed directions a few times, but it has paid off. And I didn't have time on my hands, I started flying at age 38. I sold my very small business and that paid all my flight training. I never had the flight school debt that I see other people trying to pay off. I had savings to carry me through the lean years.

After a couple of years as a flight instructor, I applied to regionals. I applied to many, was asked to interview by a few, and was invited to train at one. Woo Hoo..!!! I made it.!! Now I am making 1200 a month, plus I get to wear a tie and carry that large brief case with nothing in it except my lunch and a change of underwear. Did I mention I was making 1200 a month.?? And most captains were 15 years younger than me and had no real world work experience. The flying was boring to me and it felt like a dead end career for me.

After three months I left the glorious world of airlines to fly a C-207 in bush Alaska. $50,000/year. Ok, more like I am used to making, plus I am living and working in Alaska. As I started flying more different types of airplanes, pay topped out at over 100k/year. I learned to limit flying to keep pay around 99K to keep taxes down. I built my savings back up and increased my portfolio tremendously. When 9/11 happened I had just finished up a contract job. I was only out of work for a month until another Alaska job opened up.

Fast forward a few years. The feds starting crawling all over me. One thing led to another and after one fed beat his nose on my fist, I left Alaska. My intention was to fly one year with this air ambulance company then go back to Alaska. But the owner kept raising my pay to keep me here. After 32 years in business, and after I had worked for the company for 5 years, the owner decided to sell. Myself and 3 others came up with the money and bought him out. Two years later we are debt free and expanding.

Looking back maybe it wasn't such a pain after all. I did think that after 9/11 I would never fly for a living again. I can only say that my focus was flying. Not flying for an airline or corporate or freight, but flying. When doors shut I looked for the open ones, not necessarily in the same direction. I took a few chances, most didn't work out. One has worked out well. I never thought I would be a business owner in aviation. I loved living and working in Alaska and I wanted to stay there. I guess I can say that a fed with a bloody nose changed my future.

Stick with it my young friend. There will be many aviation opportunities in your future. You will probably change flying jobs many times. Some jobs will be ok, some will just plain suck. Sometimes you may feel that you should try something else. If you are as addicted to flying as I am, you will always stay in the air. Have a good career, then write a book about it.!!:)

edit: With apologies to airline pilots. If that is what you want and you are happy then more power to you. My intent was not to pick on anyone.
 
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The 20's are a fun ship. Like a hippo on ice to land, but she's very stable. It takes TLG guys that came over a little bit of time to get used to the trimming with dual ballonets, but other than that, prob not too much different from The A170's. Now the NT... those are just baller!

The 170 was drastically underpowered, had a terrible lean, needed bigger flight controls but other than that was fun to fly. I flew with an old goodyear guy while I was training in the A60 and his comments were that the A60 handed just like a GZ-19 did
 
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