For Sale: Very Loaded 1961 Mooney M20B

kurtsnyder

kurtsnyder

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The time has finally come for me to sell my beloved plane! It was a difficult decision, but I need to simplify my life since I have a new flying job and won't be flying the Mooney enough to justify keeping it. Plus, I'm now flying more hours in 1 month with my job than I did in 10 with the Mooney. I put close to 275 hours on it since I bought it 2.5 years ago and flown to 12 states in her. I also got my instrument and commercial tickets in it. It's been a GREAT airplane!

I've tried to put as much info below as I could. Please feel free to email me or call me with any questions or if you're interested. Please only contact me with serious inquiries. I have set a VERY fair price, so please no low ball offers.

My info: kurtsnyder @ gmail.com or 6I5-8I2-44OO

Here is a video I made, all shot while flying this plane: https://vimeo.com/84920019 See what kind of fun you could have if you buy it?! :D

All logs since new. Flown regularly. Hangared. Oil samples frequently sent for analysis and all have been normal. 140kts true @ 9.5GPH

$40,000 OBO

N74795
1961 Mooney M20B
4732 total time airframe
In Annual and flown regularly - Last Annual- 09/26/13

Engine/Prop-
767 SMOH on O-360 engine by Mattutuck
Compressions at last annual: 77/77/77/78
734 TSN prop
Hartzell Prop with no AD
New Stainless exhaust system from Aerospace Welding – 09/2011
New spark plugs 09/2011
Brackett air filter
Spin on oil filter
Skytec 149NL high torque lightweight starter
Concord RG35 sealed battery
Harrison oil cooler
InterAv Alternator conversion
New engine hoses '06

Panel/Avionics-
Southwest Texas 201 panel mod
Garmin 430 non-WAAS
Garmin MX20 MFD
Garmin Apollo SL70 Transponder w/remote ident
Sandel 3308 EFIS
King KG102-A remote gyro
Insight GEM G2 color engine monitor
FS450 Fuel flow
King KMA28 Audio panel
Overhauled Attitude Indicator 10/2013
All new wiring with panel upgrade
No autopilot

General-
Whelen Comet three place strobes
Whelen LED Landing light
New front seat Shoulder harnesses and lap belts installed
Recent gear overhaul w/new springs
Gear and flaps are manual
New interior - 9 out of 10
Paint 6 out of 10 - some chipping on the leading edges, but no chalkiness or peeling any where else.
O&N Fuel bladders installed under field approval 5 years ago
Installed overhauled vacuum pump 07/2012


Speed Mods-
Flap gap seals
Aileron gap seals
Wing root fairings
Cowl closure mod
Dorsal fin mod
1 piece windshield
Brake caliper rotation


























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Wow! Fantastic plane! Can you share some of the #'s? I am wondering about the air speeds, altitudes, landing speeds, gross weight, range, etc.
 
A beautiful example at a very fair price. Miss my C model. This is tempting...
 
bjohnsonmn said:
Wow! Fantastic plane! Can you share some of the #'s? I am wondering about the air speeds, altitudes, landing speeds, gross weight, range, etc.
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Thanks! Yes, she is a fantastic plane! As far as cruise speed, just last week I was getting 140kts true on 9.5 GPH at WOT and 2300RPM at 6000'. That's pretty typical. For flight planning, I plan conservatively at 130kts speed and 10gph and always see better performance than that. (unless of course, there's a headwind)

It has 54.8 gal usable fuel, so you can plan a 5 hour range between fuel stops if you can go that long. I've flown back non-stop from the Virginia coast and Lakeland, FL and still had over legal IFR fuel mins.

I typically land at 75kts on final.

MGW for the B model is 2450lbs
Empty weight is 1693lbs
Useful load - 757lbs

It's frustrating that the B model Mooney has a lower gross weight than the C model. The C's MGW goes up to 2575lbs and there were no real structural changes between the 2 models.


asgcpa said:
Any autopilot?
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No, there is no autopilot. This was something that I wanted when I was looking for airplanes, but I couldn't turn this plane down when I saw it. Honestly though, it's such a stable airplane that I haven't minded hand flying it at all.


I added this video to the post above. All shots were taken while flying this plane: https://vimeo.com/84920019
 
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I've flown this airplane and it is well maintained and loved.
 
Is it just me or is there an incredible irony in the fact the OP is selling his airplane because of the time commitments of a flying job. I find that sideways. The whole point of working to me is so that I can afford the time and money to fly for fun.

Unsolicited info here, but to me flying for money is still WORK: ear-and-sinus-crushing, airsickness-inducing, 110*F bubble canopy ground ops dehydrating, neck-damaging WORK as a matter of fact ( I instruct and do mx/test FCF in aerobatic turboprop trainers, in the geographical and cultural desolation that is Northeast Mexico *cough* Southwest Texas).

The Arrow in contrast is a joy to get into and fly. No flight plan, no "Operational Risk Management" sheet to fill out, no neurotic controller having a conniption because my student is.... *gasp* a student, or "#9 for departure" drudgery. In my 28R-200 all knobs ahead and off we climb enroute to our destination VFR or IFR direct. Pull back the power knob (that's the red knob by the way), pull back the noise knob (the blue one), recline the back a bit and just relax.

At any rate, sorry for the thread drift, that 20B it's a very nice sample of a short body mooney and a very fair price considering the condition and upgrades.Like you said the only thing that would make it better is the 20C gross weight. Still, I suspect it won't be long until someone scoops it up. Excellent 2 seater commuter as far as Im concerned. Good luck with the sale and with the new job as well. Congrats!
 
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That's a great video. Haven't been able to fly for the past few months and still have another few months before I can get back up in the air. That video made me miss it even more, thanks. ;)
Good looking plane, wish I was in the market, hope it's a quick and successful sale for you.
 
Serious question,
What were you using for your total cost of ownership? For example, engine reserves, annual, insurance, avionics break/fix, etc. With looking at the rates locally on loans, and the potential to bring in one or two partners, this looks very attractive. BTW, your video may or may not have inspired these questions! :)
 
hindsight2020 said:
Is it just me or is there an incredible irony in the fact the OP is selling his airplane because of the time commitments of a flying job. I find that sideways. The whole point of working to me is so that I can afford the time and money to fly for fun.
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I'm not just selling the airplane due to just time constraints. Going from the income of a career that I've been in for 10 years to first year FO pay is a substantial decrease. Makes it hard to own an airplane on those kind of wages. I've wanted to be an airline pilot for a very long time and I've finally come to the realization that if I don't hurry and try it now, I might never get the chance to give it a shot. The whole problem with working to afford to fly is when you're in a job you hate and sucks the life out of you.

hindsight2020 said:
Unsolicited info here, but to me flying for money is still WORK: ear-and-sinus-crushing, airsickness-inducing, 110*F bubble canopy ground ops dehydrating, neck-damaging WORK as a matter of fact ( I instruct and do mx/test FCF in aerobatic turboprop trainers, in the geographical and cultural desolation that is Northeast Mexico *cough* Southwest Texas).
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I'm fully aware that the fun and newness of flying for a living is going to wear off. But even when it does become just a job, it's more appealing to me than the job I have now. Yes, I make (made) good money and had a good schedule. But I've been miserable for the past 3 years and can't stand many of the people I worked with.

hindsight2020 said:
The Arrow in contrast is a joy to get into and fly. No flight plan, no "Operational Risk Management" sheet to fill out, no neurotic controller having a conniption because my student is.... *gasp* a student, or "#9 for departure" drudgery. In my 28R-200 all knobs ahead and off we climb enroute to our destination VFR or IFR direct. Pull back the power knob (that's the red knob by the way), pull back the noise knob (the blue one), recline the back a bit and just relax.
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You're preachin' to the choir on this! There's nothing like having your own airplane and being able to go where you want, when you want. I'm sure I'm going to miss it a lot down the road, but I by no means think the Mooney will be my last airplane! Sometimes you just have to make some sacrifices up front

hindsight2020 said:
At any rate, sorry for the thread drift, that 20B it's a very nice sample of a short body mooney and a very fair price considering the condition and upgrades.Like you said the only thing that would make it better is the 20C gross weight. Still, I suspect it won't be long until someone scoops it up. Excellent 2 seater commuter as far as Im concerned. Good luck with the sale and with the new job as well. Congrats!
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Thanks!
 
bjohnsonmn said:
Serious question,
What were you using for your total cost of ownership? For example, engine reserves, annual, insurance, avionics break/fix, etc. With looking at the rates locally on loans, and the potential to bring in one or two partners, this looks very attractive. BTW, your video may or may not have inspired these questions! :)
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PM sent!
 
kurtsnyder said:
No, there is no autopilot. This was something that I wanted when I was looking for airplanes, but I couldn't turn this plane down when I saw it. Honestly though, it's such a stable airplane that I haven't minded hand flying it at all.
https://vimeo.com/84920019
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Thats' a shame and is what kept me from looking at EdFred's plane. Having a decent autopilot, along with NDH (or minimal) and no corrosion are essential for me. I could tolerate an engine that has 200 or so hours before overhaul if it is a good engine. Paint and interior doesn't have to be great either....

Anyway, it looks like a nice bird. Good luck with your sale!
 
Not always accurate but I found N74795 had a prop strike in 2007. Was the engine overhaul and prop replacement done then?
 
RichNY said:
Not always accurate but I found N74795 had a prop strike in 2007. Was the engine overhaul and prop replacement done then?
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Yes, the previous owner almost geared up the airplane. He was flaring with the gear up and the prop tips struck the runway. He gave it full power and went around. Fortunately, there was no damage to the belly or any part of the aircraft except the prop. He put the landing gear down and came back around for a normal landing.

The Lycoming AD 04-10-14 (C1) for prop strikes was complied with. That's the newer/updated AD. The SB 475C was also complied with. A new lock plate and retaining bolt was installed also. The previous owner also had a prop and hub with 261 hours on it installed.

Since the incident, the airplane/engine/ has flown right around 450 hours, all without further problems.
 
By chance, did that prop strike occur at Cedar Key, Florida?

kurtsnyder said:
Yes, the previous owner almost geared up the airplane. He was flaring with the gear up and the prop tips struck the runway. He gave it full power and went around. Fortunately, there was no damage to the belly or any part of the aircraft except the prop. He put the landing gear down and came back around for a normal landing.

The Lycoming AD 04-10-14 (C1) for prop strikes was complied with. That's the newer/updated AD. The SB 475C was also complied with. A new lock plate and retaining bolt was installed also. The previous owner also had a prop and hub with 261 hours on it installed.

Since the incident, the airplane/engine/ has flown right around 450 hours, all without further problems.
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Bump... Still for sale. I'll be listing it on Barnstormers.com soon.
 
Does the B have metal or wooden spars?

I really like the panel layout redone from the original "Z" scan panel (as Gordon Baxter referred to it). Nice looking plane all around.

John
 
jsstevens said:
Does the B have metal or wooden spars?



I really like the panel layout redone from the original "Z" scan panel (as Gordon Baxter referred to it). Nice looking plane all around.



John
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The B have all metal wings and tails. Kurt's plane is a beauty.


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kurtsnyder said:
I'm not just selling the airplane due to just time constraints. Going from the income of a career that I've been in for 10 years to first year FO pay is a substantial decrease. Makes it hard to own an airplane on those kind of wages. I've wanted to be an airline pilot for a very long time and I've finally come to the realization that if I don't hurry and try it now, I might never get the chance to give it a shot. The whole problem with working to afford to fly is when you're in a job you hate and sucks the life out of you.



I'm fully aware that the fun and newness of flying for a living is going to wear off. But even when it does become just a job, it's more appealing to me than the job I have now. Yes, I make (made) good money and had a good schedule. But I've been miserable for the past 3 years and can't stand many of the people I worked with.
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I envy and respect your decision to drop everything and follow your passion, even with an established career. I too am making good money but at today's pace of business, it is almost impossible to find the time or energy to fly or study up on flying fundamentals. What good is having some dough to throw at flying when you dont have the time or energy to match? Makes me feel like the good ol' days of flying for fun won't really get going until I'm retired...
 
asgcpa said:
Good luck with the sale. I wish it had an autopilot
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Come on, be a real pilot! You don't need no stinkin' autopilot! :lol:

Irish_Armada said:
I envy and respect your decision to drop everything and follow your passion, even with an established career. I too am making good money but at today's pace of business, it is almost impossible to find the time or energy to fly or study up on flying fundamentals. What good is having some dough to throw at flying when you dont have the time or energy to match? Makes me feel like the good ol' days of flying for fun won't really get going until I'm retired...
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I know exactly how you feel. Towards the end, I was so burned out at my old job that I only wanted to come home and zone out in front of the TV. I can't even begin to describe how happy I am getting to fly for a living and not having the weight of a job I hate on my shoulders. It was a scary idea, but I'm SO glad I did it. My wife is even happier knowing that I'm happier.
 
AdamZ said:
So Kurt I'm curious what was your previous profession?
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I was a Spanish language interpreter. I worked both as a medical interpreter at Vanderbilt Univ. Medical Center and also as a court interpreter for the state. It wasn't a bad job. I just got burned out. Plus, I had always wanted to be a professional pilot.
 
kurtsnyder said:
I was a Spanish language interpreter. I worked both as a medical interpreter at Vanderbilt Univ. Medical Center and also as a court interpreter for the state. It wasn't a bad job. I just got burned out. Plus, I had always wanted to be a professional pilot.
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Plus you're the right type to be a professional pilot. You are the type of pilot I want flying my kids. Heck, you did fly one of them.
 
Blackhawk said:
Plus you're the right type to be a professional pilot. You are the type of pilot I want flying my kids. Heck, you did fly one of them.
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Thanks, that means a lot! I learned from the best!
 
Dang, why cant this be fore sale in 6 months when I am ready to buy. grrrr Very nice airplane.
 
superdad said:
Dang, why cant this be fore sale in 6 months when I am ready to buy. grrrr Very nice airplane.
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I wish you were ready now too. I just listed it on Barnstormers last night and have had quite a bit of interest. I'm guessing it's going to sell soon now.
 
How expensive are annuals on M20 B through J?
 
GeorgeC said:
How expensive are annuals on M20 B through J?
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I don't know about later models, but the earlier models with manual flaps and gear are very inexpensive to annual for being a complex airplane. If you did an owner assisted annual, I wouldn't be surprised to see it under $800. I had a low cost annual like that one year.
 
kurtsnyder said:
I don't know about later models, but the earlier models with manual flaps and gear are very inexpensive to annual for being a complex airplane. If you did an owner assisted annual, I wouldn't be surprised to see it under $800. I had a low cost annual like that one year.
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True. But I had an electric gear model and did owner-assisted (owner-impeded??!) And averaged around $2,500 per annual.
 
LDJones said:
True. But I had an electric gear model and did owner-assisted (owner-impeded??!) And averaged around $2,500 per annual.
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Yikes, that seems on the high side! :yikes: My highest annual was under $1800 and that included the labor to install a new engine monitor and vacuum pump. Obviously, it didn't include the pump or monitor. My friend who also has a B model Mooney has had his annuals for the past 4 years under $1200. Neither of us deferred any issues. Maybe we've been lucky.
 
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