Student pilot landing at OSH during show? Allowed?

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Please don't let this degrade into a lecture about how I should not be going, I need to know my place and accept my wormlike status, I'm going to kill myself, etc, etc. Please just answer the question if you know the answer.

Is it legal for a student pilot to go to OSH solo during the show? I looked through the NOTAM but didn't see anything. Someone told me it is not allowed.
 
"During the show?" No.

What CFI would sign a student off to fly in to OSH solo?
 
It's legal with a cross country sign off from your instructor.

But an instructor who would sign that off would be a few cards short of a deck. You do not have the skills or judgment to pull that off. The skills you can learn given enough time. The judgment is another story.

No matter what the mission is -- even getting a dozen eggs from the supermarket -- the moment you say you don't want to hear safety concerns, YOU SHOULD NOT GO.

You're going to need to grow up in a hurry to pass your checkride. Judgment is a special emphasis area.
 
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MAKG1 said:
It's legal with a cross country sign off from your instructor.

But an instructor who would sign that off would be a few cards short of a deck. You do not have the skills or judgment to pull that off. The skills you can learn given enough time. The judgment is another story.

No matter what the mission is -- even getting a dozen eggs from the supermarket -- the moment you say you don't want to hear safety concerns, YOU SHOULD NOT GO.
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Objection, speculation.
 
From the 2014 AirVenture NOTAM:
Student pilot training and student solos are not permitted at OSH during the AirVenture period.
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You could, with your instructor's approval, fly solo to one of the outlying fields and use ground transportation to get to the event, but not fly to OSH solo. Note that unless you'll be returning the same day, you'd need a CFI there to sign your flight planning for your return trip the day you depart for home.
 
MAKG1 said:
Legit in isolation. This is not his first post. Read others.

He can't land on centerline and doesn't want to hear about safety. Would you want him on your six while on spproach?
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And I'm a french model... bon jour.
 
Ron Levy said:
From the 2014 AirVenture NOTAM:
You could, with your instructor's approval, fly solo to one of the outlying fields and use ground transportation to get to the event, but not fly to OSH solo. Note that unless you'll be returning the same day, you'd need a CFI there to sign your flight planning for your return trip the day you depart for home.
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What page of the NOTAM is that on?
 
Student Solo at Airventure

Hocky,

Page 13 of the 2014 Notam says:

"Student pilot training and student solos are not permitted at OSH during the AirVenture period."
 
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Dihedral said:
Hocky,

Page 13 of the 2014 Notam says:

"Student pilot training and student solos are not permitted at OSH during the AirVenture period."
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Ok. So I definitely need to make sure I have my PPL before then.

So how do they enforce this? Are there ramp checks during that week?
 
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Hocky said:
Ok. So I definitely need to make sure I have my PPL before then.

So how do they enforce this? Are there ramp checks during that week?
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The same way every other FAA rule is enforced -- nobody is likely going to check up on you (thought it COULD happen), but if you screw up or crash or even somebody else does something that draws you into the FAA's attention you'll be busted. For example, suppose somebody else nearly collides with you on final. The tower checks up on it and finds out that one of the pilots is operating illegally. It won't be pretty.

But I will repeat what others are saying -- you are showing a serious lack of good judgement and poor decision making skills. I don't care if you don't intend to break the rules -- that your reaction to being told its illegal is "how will they catch me?" sticks out big time.
 
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dukeblue219 said:
The same way every other FAA rule is enforced -- nobody is likely going to check up on you (thought it COULD happen), but if you screw up or crash or even somebody else does something that draws you into the FAA's attention you'll be busted. For example, suppose somebody else nearly collides with you on final. The tower checks up on it and finds out that one of the pilots is operating illegally. It won't be pretty.

But I will repeat what others are saying -- you are showing a serious lack of good judgement and poor decision making skills. I don't care if you don't intend to break the rules -- that your reaction to being told its illegal is "how will they catch me?" sticks out big time.
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What?

Here, let me repeat what I just said before your response.

Ok. So I definitely need to make sure I have my PPL before then.
 
[sarcasm] Maybe just head down to the local airport there are probably a bunch of planes nobody is using maybe even some in annual. Hop in one and fly it OSH. Just put it back when your done. If you take the right plane or the guy who runs it once a month doesn't happen to show up that week and you don't die on the way there or back I am guessing nobody will know the difference. After all how would they know?[/sarcasm] :rolleyes:

If you haven't already watch a few videos on youtube on arrival at OSH. I have and some of them are ho hum others are eye opening you better be on your game.
 
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DFH65 said:
[sarcasm] Maybe just head down to the local airport there are probably a bunch of planes nobody is using maybe even some in annual. Hop in one and fly it OSH. Just put it back when your done. If you take the right plane or the guy who runs it once a month doesn't happen to show up that week and you don't die on the way there or back I am guessing nobody will know the difference [/sarcasm] :rolleyes:

If you haven't already watch a few videos on youtube on arrival at OSH. I have and some of them are ho hum others are eye opening you better be on your game.
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I don't get what the big deal is. You fly to Ripon get in line follow the railway track then at Fisk ATC tells you which way to go either continue following the railway track or turn east. You don't even have to talk. 1800 feet and 90 knots. Easy peasy. Land nearby the dot they tell you to (don't even have to nail it apparently).

:dunno:

It sounds straightforward. If I get my PPL in time you better believe I am doing it myself otherwise I am going with a CFI.
 
Why would you get a PPL ? The FAA issues P-ASEL Certificates. A Canadian, CAA or any other PPL will not be enough to act as PIC in the US.
 
Hocky said:
I don't get what the big deal is. You fly to Ripon get in line follow the railway track then at Fisk ATC tells you which way to go either continue following the railway track or turn east. You don't even have to talk. 1800 feet and 90 knots. Easy peasy. Land nearby the dot they tell you to (don't even have to nail it apparently).

:dunno:

It sounds straightforward. If I get my PPL in time you better believe I am doing it myself otherwise I am going with a CFI.
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It's a big deal when you get people flying in who didn't read the NOTAM, the people who can't understand the NOTAM, or the people who think the NOTAM doesn't apply to them.
 
Hocky said:
I don't get what the big deal is. You fly to Ripon get in line follow the railway track then at Fisk ATC tells you which way to go either continue following the railway track or turn east. You don't even have to talk. 1800 feet and 90 knots. Easy peasy. Land nearby the dot they tell you to (don't even have to nail it apparently).

:dunno:

It sounds straightforward. If I get my PPL in time you better believe I am doing it myself otherwise I am going with a CFI.
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10,000 airplanes all headed to the same place in a small window of time. What could happen? :dunno:
 
Hocky said:
I don't get what the big deal is. You fly to Ripon get in line follow the railway track then at Fisk ATC tells you which way to go either continue following the railway track or turn east. You don't even have to talk. 1800 feet and 90 knots. Easy peasy. Land nearby the dot they tell you to (don't even have to nail it apparently).

:dunno:

It sounds straightforward. If I get my PPL in time you better believe I am doing it myself otherwise I am going with a CFI.
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Unless you are planning on not touching the controls, if you go with a CFI before you get your ppl you are still breaking the rules. ( receiving duel is instruction ) I would recommend even if you get your PPL in time, take a CFI with you. It will be different then anything you have done before and another set of eyes is good. If you have your PPL then you can get dual going in as your no longer a student pilot.

As for it not being a big deal, it's not just your ability to hold altitude and airspeed, it's the ability to work with all those other planes in close proximity and their ability to hold airspeed and altitude.
 
Hocky said:
I don't get what the big deal is. You fly to Ripon get in line follow the railway track then at Fisk ATC tells you which way to go either continue following the railway track or turn east. You don't even have to talk. 1800 feet and 90 knots. Easy peasy. Land nearby the dot they tell you to (don't even have to nail it apparently).

:dunno:

It sounds straightforward. If I get my PPL in time you better believe I am doing it myself otherwise I am going with a CFI.
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You do have to "nail it." If you miss the dot, it's considered a bolter and you have to come back around and try again. Seen guys in the past doing 8-9 attempts before they hit it and are allowed to taxi into parking.
 
Just go with a CFI if you haven't done it before. Everyone here is right when they say you shouldn't be going alone.
 
Got another "dumb" question... Now don't get all excited it is JUST a question.

How about ultralights? No rule against a student bringing one of those in is there?
 
A GREAT way to get ready to fly to Oshkosh might be to brief it extensively with your CFI, then ride with him as he flies the briefed flight. Land, have a great time at the show, then train and practice hard all year...then fly there yourself NEXT year, after you have your PPL and some real PIC time under your belt.
 
Hocky said:
Got another "dumb" question... Now don't get all excited it is JUST a question.

How about ultralights? No rule against a student bringing one of those in is there?
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Should be just fine.
I think my friend Pete Flemming did that once.
 
Hocky said:
Got another "dumb" question... Now don't get all excited it is JUST a question.

How about ultralights? No rule against a student bringing one of those in is there?
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It's not a dumb question, but one that could have been answered with a few keywords entered into Google.

Short answer: Yes. You wouldn't technically be a student pilot because there is no formal pilot certification for ultralights.

I suggest you brush up on FAR 103 and this link from eaa about flying into Oshkosh in an ultralight.
 
Ron Levy said:
. Note that unless you'll be returning the same day, you'd need a CFI there to sign your flight planning for your return trip the day you depart for home.
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While I never did a solo that spanned multiple days, I'm curious where this rule is written? I've heard some claim that a return flight same day requires the same, which I believe was not true either - is there actually a limit on the length between legs, or is this just one of those "walks like a duck" moments in the FAA's eyes?
 
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Hocky said:
What?

Here, let me repeat what I just said before your response.

Ok. So I definitely need to make sure I have my PPL before then.
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- - - and THAT purely smacks of nothing short of arrogance. Just because you may have the PP-ASEL doesn't assure yourself or a thousand other pilots who will or did land, that you're up to the task of handling the situation.

HR
 
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Lawreston said:
- - - and THAT purely smacks of nothing short of arrogance. Just because you may have the PP-ASEL doesn't assure yourself or a thousand other pilots who will or did land, that you're up to the task of handling the situation.

HR
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And why is that? If that were true then they would have a minimum hour requirement or special training needed.
 
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Lawreston said:
- - - and THAT purely smacks of nothing short of arrogance. Just because you may have the PP-ASEL doesn't assure yourself or a thousand other pilots who will or did land, that you're up to the task of handling the situation.

HR
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You know, Harley, those thousands of us who have landed at Oshkosh are not assured that the other thousands that have landed there were up to the task either.

My point is this. A newly minted Private Pilot is fully capable of being up to the task of flying in to Airventure. The flip side is that an ATP rated pilot may NOT be up to the task.

A lot of variables are involved and a lot of people are making judgements in this thread based on . . . well, not much solid data.
 
airdale said:
That is the problem.
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Erroneous! Erroneous on all counts!

There are plenty of pilots (or any other types of people out there) that will do things that you or I would never do, and to them it really isn't that big of a deal. Just because you or I think it is, doesn't mean it is.

I don't see the problem landing under condition x, and have done so safely. But people who have never done it, or feel uncomfortable about it think it is the most dangerous thing ever.

Just because it's not a big deal to someone, doesn't mean it actually IS a big deal.
 
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Hocky said:
And why is that? If that were true then they would have a minimum hour requirement or special training needed.
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The "THAT" to which I refer is your bold-faced(printed and expressed) attitude re your proposed flight.

HR
 
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