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Kimberly, You are single and don't own a house so open your horizons a bit and look at places other than local. Face it, California is losing more companies than gaining because of the tax structure. I made the move out of SoCal to Idaho 30 years ago and it was the best thing I ever did. Also is a great place to fly. Somewhere like Boise has a lot of hi tech companies that pay well. Also the cost of living is a lot less than Calif. Salt Lake City, Utah is another suggestion. Don
 
yakdriver said:
Kimberly, You are single and don't own a house so open your horizons a bit and look at places other than local. Face it, California is losing more companies than gaining because of the tax structure. I made the move out of SoCal to Idaho 30 years ago and it was the best thing I ever did. Also is a great place to fly. Somewhere like Boise has a lot of hi tech companies that pay well. Also the cost of living is a lot less than Calif. Salt Lake City, Utah is another suggestion. Don
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You know, we've been hearing that at least since the 70s. You would think the state was empty.

The truth is that the Bay Area is doing well enough that San Francisco is getting ****ed off over all the corporate commuter busses.

The cost of living is a bit high because there is a lot of work around the Bay. Go someplace in CA where there isn't so much -- say, Visalia -- and it isn't high.
 
MAKG1 said:
You know, we've been hearing that at least since the 70s. You would think the state was empty.

The truth is that the Bay Area is doing well enough that San Francisco is getting ****ed off over all the corporate commuter busses.

The cost of living is a bit high because there is a lot of work around the Bay. Go someplace in CA where there isn't so much -- say, Visalia -- and it isn't high.
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Bingo, the cost of living is a "bit" high. Start with state taxes, property taxes, car registration, car and home insurance, utilities etc. and you have to make a lot more money (higher tax bracket) to live than other places in the US. As for flying one local club has two 182s one with P Ponk conversion the other with Garmin 650 and a nice low time 172 that all go for less than $100 hr wet. You can get a decent hangar for $150 mo and I own a 45x50 fully insulated and heated hangar for $50,000. Home prices and rents are low so you can live nicely on about half the money it takes to live in Calif. I was born and raised in SoCal and lived there in the golden years 1953-1981. I hate what it has become and don't even like to go back and visit anymore. Just saying to Kimberly there is a whole big world out there to look at. Don
 
Sorry to hear about your job. The same thing happened to me 23 years ago. Looking back it was a blessing. I got a better job. Hang in there.
 
Kim,

So sorry to hear this.. I've been there, done that many times. My wife and I are looking at leaving Socal for Vegas.
 
Look into government employment. Startup might not be the amount your looking for, but woman can progress through the GS ranks fast. The pay and benefits, plus the job security can not be beat.

-John
 
LoneAspen said:
I think if my company did something like that to me, I'd leave the plane where it was and fly/drive myself back on my own dime, just to spite them and stick them with the hassle and cost of getting the plane back themselves.

I guess I hold a grudge.
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Are you Irish? My wife is, and grudge holding is in the DNA I think.
 
nddons said:
Are you Irish? My wife is, and grudge holding is in the DNA I think.
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I never thought of the genetic predisposition, but my wife fits that description too...(maiden name starts with Mc) :yikes:
 
John Baker said:
Look into government employment. Startup might not be the amount your looking for, but woman can progress through the GS ranks fast. The pay and benefits, plus the job security can not be beat.

-John
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Job security is good but normal, well adjusted, rational people cannot put up with government BS forever...
 
$60k+ seem high for an office manager. Ours makes about $40k and has been here for 20yrs.
 
Sorry for the disruption in your life. My experience is that every time something like this has happened, the next thing was a wonderful experience and if it wasn't better, at least it led to something better. Don't let it get you down. I don't suppose you need to be told, treat job-hunting like it is a full-time job until you get that next one.

As far as personal stories, I once worked for a firm where I was told to trim my staff by 10%. And I did, mostly by relocating people or getting them introductions to hiring managers. A short time later, I was told to reduce staff by another 50%. I did that, too, but it was a little harder. Then I was told to lay off the remaining staff. That was when I had to lay off even the worst producer. That left only me. My boss called me while I was on vacation, the day before Christmas. He started out, "When you come back..." "OK," I said, "I know." One of the best things that happened to me.
 
AuntPeggy said:
Sorry for the disruption in your life. My experience is that every time something like this has happened, the next thing was a wonderful experience and if it wasn't better, at least it led to something better. Don't let it get you down. I don't suppose you need to be told, treat job-hunting like it is a full-time job until you get that next one.

As far as personal stories, I once worked for a firm where I was told to trim my staff by 10%. And I did, mostly by relocating people or getting them introductions to hiring managers. A short time later, I was told to reduce staff by another 50%. I did that, too, but it was a little harder. Then I was told to lay off the remaining staff. That was when I had to lay off even the worst producer. That left only me. My boss called me while I was on vacation, the day before Christmas. He started out, "When you come back..." "OK," I said, "I know." One of the best things that happened to me.
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Huh? :confused: did you let the best producers go first?
 
AuntPeggy said:
Sorry for the disruption in your life. My experience is that every time something like this has happened, the next thing was a wonderful experience and if it wasn't better, at least it led to something better. Don't let it get you down. I don't suppose you need to be told, treat job-hunting like it is a full-time job until you get that next one.

As far as personal stories, I once worked for a firm where I was told to trim my staff by 10%. And I did, mostly by relocating people or getting them introductions to hiring managers. A short time later, I was told to reduce staff by another 50%. I did that, too, but it was a little harder. Then I was told to lay off the remaining staff. That was when I had to lay off even the worst producer. That left only me. My boss called me while I was on vacation, the day before Christmas. He started out, "When you come back..." "OK," I said, "I know." One of the best things that happened to me.
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Did your boss need a new Cirrus or something??
 
bartmc said:
Huh? :confused: did you let the best producers go first?
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I let those go first who had the best prospects for immediate jobs. I made sure there was a place for them to go before "choosing" them to be cut.

I didn't want to force out the guy who was on the brink of probation and who needed to be micro-managed. Another manager got wind of it and approached him and offered him a raise and position in his group. He was so relieved he didn't believe me when I told him he was being hired to be a sacrificial lamb. Of course, he was cut by the other manager at the next opportunity, which allowed him to trim his numbers without actually losing someone he wanted to keep.
 
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bartmc said:
Then her story adds up. All of it.
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Once, on a different job, different time, I was told to reduce staff costs and they wanted me to make life so miserable for my staff that they would resign so that the company would not need to pay for unemployment benefits for them. Two days later, I informed my boss that the first resignation was in hand and it would save around half the personnel costs of my department without really cutting into productivity. Of course, it was mine.
 
Just to get back on track, Best of luck to you Kimberly.
 
AuntPeggy said:
Once, on a different job, different time, I was told to reduce staff costs and they wanted me to make life so miserable for my staff that they would resign so that the company would not need to pay for unemployment benefits for them. Two days later, I informed my boss that the first resignation was in hand and it would save around half the personnel costs of my department without really cutting into productivity. Of course, it was mine.
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You must be VERY proud of being NON Productive...:mad2::mad2::rolleyes:
 
N801BH said:
You must be VERY proud of being NON Productive...:mad2::mad2::rolleyes:
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I had a great bunch of people working for me. I was very proud of them. I told them what to do next, and to be honest, they could figure it out themselves. I was also writing the programs they were using. The company was not going to grow any more, so they didn't need any more development. Honesty is the best policy.
 
Rather than provoke any more of my stalkers in Kimberly's thread, I'll not comment in this thread any more. :wonderwoman:
 
Kimberly,

No doubt you shall find something soon. I agree with others about expanding your horizons....looks at several states, not just in your backyard. Good luck!!!!
 
Give exotic dancing a try. I know one who makes $2k/week...cash.
 
bartmc said:
Huh? :confused: did you let the best producers go first?
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They will make it up in volume. :lol:

I agree with AP, anytime I was fired or laid off new and better things came up, always. You'll do just fine Kimberly. ;)

I would not go the dancer route. :no: :lol:
 
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Once, on a different job, different time, I was told to reduce staff costs and they wanted me to make life so miserable for my staff that they would resign so that the company would not need to pay for unemployment benefits for them. Two days later, I informed my boss that the first resignation was in hand and it would save around half the personnel costs of my department without really cutting into productivity. Of course, it was mine.
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It seems like that would have been a soul-crushing assignment to carry out. I feel fortunate never to have worked for someone who demanded that.
 
Palmpilot said:
It seems like that would have been a soul-crushing assignment to carry out. I feel fortunate never to have worked for someone who demanded that.
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I have no doubt that it would be, but I would still much rather be in that position than be the one being let go in today's economy. Truth be told, my dept chair tried that angle when she told me I was being non-renewed. "This hurts me as much as it hurts you," in so many words. That's the first time I'd ever been really angry with her. :mad:
 
Housing prices have always been high in San Francisco, um, because people want to live there (even if many of you don't). There have also been more and more people with high paying tech jobs moving in to drive the prices even higher. Glad I kept the condo...

Good luck on your job search, Kim.
 
Palmpilot said:
It seems like that would have been a soul-crushing assignment to carry out. I feel fortunate never to have worked for someone who demanded that.
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Maybe they did that to get her to quit?


No wonder this country is so screwed up!
 
Baby, I can hook you up no problem with an executive secretary job.

As long as you're willing to work with $20k.
 
us AAirways said:
Maybe they did that to get her to quit?


No wonder this country is so screwed up!
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You'd think any boss smart enough to figure that out would be smart enough to recognize the long term downsides.
 
docmirror said:
Well, at least the discussion is keeping this at the top of the thread list.



I think most people take this stuff too personally. I've been laid off, after work, I went to the bowling league with my new ex-boss. He felt kind of nervous and on edge. I said 'Floyd - it's business. We have known each other for 5 years, mostly all good. I will have another job in a week or two, and the company will go on without me, relax, have a beer.'



It wasn't my job, it was the employers job, I just filled the position for a while. Business happens, employers hired you, they can let you go, that's just the way things are. I don't like letting people go, but it's that or eventually BK, and then - pretty much everyone goes. Every tree needs trimming, even the most healthy trees in the world need trimming sometimes.



Keep your head up, be nice, don't burn your bridges, even if the company disses you. I had the pleasure of being re-hired by one company that let me go after they were merged. Old home week, lol.
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THIS.


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AuntPeggy said:
My boss called me while I was on vacation, the day before Christmas. He started out, "When you come back..." "OK," I said, "I know." One of the best things that happened to me.
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In got that once over Christmas. Called my boss on Saturday to ask him what we needed to jump on first Monday morning, and he said "nothing."

"The investors pulled their money, the doors are chained, your healthcare is good until the end of the month, and your last two week paycheck and your vacation on the books? Good luck with that. Have a nice life"

And there you have it! The whole place closed down, done. Everyone lost their last paycheck and booked vacation.
 
us AAirways said:
$60k+ seem high for an office manager. Ours makes about $40k and has been here for 20yrs.
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Not in SF. We have a number of clients in the downtown area, and good office managers - having met Kim, I have no doubt she is one - will typically make $60K and a small bonus, on top of options that can easily add another 50% on top of that when the company exits (if it does). These women - and they are invariably women - are usually incredibly valuable, and know more about the inner workings of these organizations than most employees. They end up being "everyone's EA". I always make sure to befriend them because no one else seems to ever know everyone and be on top of everything in a general sense as they do. It's not a shock when companies grow as fast as they do here - you really need someone like that.

So Kim is not out of line if this is the sort of position she is referring to.
 
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