Private checkride went horribly wrong!

If folks really want this thread to die all they have to do is stop posting. This fellow is doing little more than responding to those who address him.
 
JeffDG said:
With his attitude about the rules, he has a high probability of just flying IFR without the bother of an Instrument Rating anyway. It's just an old-fashioned test after all, some dumb rules that are just not relevant to the Everyone Gets a Trophy Generation.
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No, sorry, I hate doing this because it pains me to repeatedly have to beat down illogical statements like this and possibly damage your self worth that you have fought hard to build up over time.

But sorry, in IFR there is none of that plot a paper course based on some initial conditions and absurd assumptions about future wind conditions and hope like hell the actual winds are the same as when you plotted the course on paper, and oh let's look outside the window occasionally and see if we recognize a landmark.
 
pflemming said:
No, sorry, I hate doing this because it pains me to repeatedly have to beat down illogical statements like this and possibly damage your self worth that you have fought hard to build up over time.

But sorry, in IFR there is none of that plot a paper course based on some initial conditions and absurd assumptions about future wind conditions and hope like hell the actual winds are the same as when you plotted the course on paper, and oh let's look outside the window occasionally and see if we recognize a landmark.
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But there's an even greater paper chase of having your Low Enroute charts, navigating by VORs, having your TPPs ready, and calculating your fuel reserves based on future conditions like winds, and ceilings at not only your primary, but also your alternate airport. You cannot do an entire IR checkride, for example, by GPS. You have to use at least one radio-based navaid at some point!

My "self-worth" has been earned. Yours was given to you as part of the Everyone Gets a Trophy Generation. Mine is not fragile and it's highly unlikely that you could do anything to damage same.
 
pflemming said:
Okay, I concede, I made a mistake during my oral. Yes. Have you ever made a mistake, oh perfect one?
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Sure, but I never make the claim to be perfect, I know I am imperfect which is why I continue to learn, and I learn all I can. I have 2500hrs, rated for single and multi engine planes both in land and sea variations, an instrument rating, a Pt 137 endorsement for agricultural and low level operations, yet I know I still make mistakes.

The difference is, I don't argue that I didn't make a mistake when I did, or even worse, that my mistakes don't matter. You are arguing that you don't have to know things because at some future point they will become irrelevant when in fact, until we climb into our autonomous aircraft with no control except to tell them a destination to take us to, they will remain relevant. You think that your mistake was arguing with the DE when your mistake was not knowing your stuff.
 
JeffDG said:
But there's an even greater paper chase of having your Low Enroute charts, navigating by VORs, having your TPPs ready, and calculating your fuel reserves based on future conditions like winds, and ceilings at not only your primary, but also your alternate airport. You cannot do an entire IR checkride, for example, by GPS. You have to use at least one radio-based navaid at some point!

My "self-worth" has been earned. Yours was given to you as part of the Everyone Gets a Trophy Generation. Mine is not fragile and it's highly unlikely that you could do anything to damage same.
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Low Enroute Charts on on my iPad, and no problem having VORs as a backup but we all know they will be extinct in ten years time. Need them right now though, I get that.
 
pflemming said:
Low Enroute Charts on on my iPad, and no problem having VORs as a backup but we all know they will be extinct in ten years time. Need them right now though, I get that.
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However your iPad is neither legal nor wise to use for IFR navigation. GPS fails on a not too infrequent basis.
 
Henning said:
However your iPad is neither legal nor wise to use for IFR navigation. GPS fails on a not too infrequent basis.
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Is that true though? iPads are being accepted substitutes for paper from what I've heard. Like I said before, I have a backup there too.

The fact that the NextGen plan is going to rely so heavily on GPS would seem to indicate that at least some people in the know who are architecting how navigation works in the future are not too overly concerned with GPS failing frequently.
 
I'm thinking that wearing a pair of epaulets on the check-ride would help. :yes:
 
pflemming said:
Is that true though? iPads are being accepted substitutes for paper from what I've heard. Like I said before, I have a backup there too.

The fact that the NextGen plan is going to rely so heavily on GPS would seem to indicate that at least some people in the know who are architecting how navigation works in the future are not too overly concerned with GPS failing frequently.
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Yep, GPS is 100% reliable...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-5...-gps-jammer-accidentally-jams-newark-airport/
 
pflemming said:
Is that true though? iPads are being accepted substitutes for paper from what I've heard. Like I said before, I have a backup there too.

The fact that the NextGen plan is going to rely so heavily on GPS would seem to indicate that at least some people in the know who are architecting how navigation works in the future are not too overly concerned with GPS failing frequently.
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Not for position, only for the chart. As far as being a replacement for a Low Enroute without it being a 'moving map' function, I think paper is easier and faster.

There is still much debate on the Next Gen issue as far as navigation goes and having GPS as a single point of failure, nothing has been set in stone yet. There are ways to use VORs in an R-NAV function, in fact it was in use before the advent of GPS. They may also recommission the Loran system.
 
Pete, I figured it out.
You are way ahead of your time as you said.

All the pilots on this forum who use paper and the DPE's are behind you.
I think the solution is to wait until that 5-10 years passes and then go get your pilot license.

Right now you pilot 2.0 and are way to advanced to be in the 1.0 version of the airspace we have in place and you are obviously not backwards compatible.

You may just have to wait in your home of the future and stick to your hover car for now and start piloting when the rest of the system catches up to you.

Happy Drinking!
 
steingar said:
If folks really want this thread to die all they have to do is stop posting. This fellow is doing little more than responding to those who address him.
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Please don't stop. This thread is better than the comedy channel.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
Pete, I figured it out.
You are way ahead of your time as you said.

All the pilots on this forum who use paper and the DPE's are behind you.
I think the solution is to wait until that 5-10 years passes and then go get your pilot license.

Right now you pilot 2.0 and are way to advanced to be in the 1.0 version of the airspace we have in place and you are obviously not backwards compatible.
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Thank you! Yes, that is a perfect summary of the situation. But like all true visionaries, I need to contend with resistance and apathy in the ranks of those who paradoxically are entrusted with providing us with our certification.
 
pflemming said:
Well it would be quite easy to jam VOR transmitters too. Even easier in fact.
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If you haven't lost GPS signal while aviating you haven't been aviating long enough.
 
pflemming said:
When did I ever say details are not important? I am saying details ARE important, which is why I argued against that imprecise paper based nonsense.
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But FF and WingX both use scanned paper charts on the displays. So if the papercharts are imprecise, so is the software on the tablet. Only Jepp does not used scanned charts.
 
JeffDG said:
Yep, GPS is 100% reliable...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-5...-gps-jammer-accidentally-jams-newark-airport/
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Not only that...NOTAMs about GPS outages within 400 miles of China Lake, CA are fairly common. There was one last week. But I guess NOTAMs are details....

That covers a large chunk of the southwest.

My own tablet has lied to me about my position by several miles. If I had believed it, I would have busted class B. It said I was outside, and I wasn't (but I had clearance and knew to get it because of that paper map and the landmarks below).

There are NO tablets or EFBs that are approved as navigational devices. I wish I understood where that totally wrong myth came from. EFBs for a few airlines are approved on a waiver basis to hold charts and other documents. That's it. And the real savings is the AFM, OpsSpecs and other documents, not the charts. An airliner's AFM is enormous compared to those little notebooks we use. The 747 one I deal with on occasion has a 20 page cruise performance table.
 
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pflemming said:
Well it would be quite easy to jam VOR transmitters too. Even easier in fact.
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Not at all. VOR signals are pretty high power, especially when you compare to GPS. However since you consider both easy to jam or spoof, that should indicate to you that it's even more important to monitor your DST and/or visual pilotage position to cross check your electronic position. Loss of situational awareness is what leads to CFIT accidents.
 
Henning said:
Not at all. VOR signals are pretty high power, especially when you compare to GPS. However since you consider both easy to jam or spoof, that should indicate to you that it's even more important to monitor your DST and/or visual pilotage position to cross check your electronic position. Loss of situational awareness is what leads to CFIT accidents.
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Don't confuse the poor guy with reality, Henning.
 
pflemming said:
Well it would be quite easy to jam VOR transmitters too. Even easier in fact.
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Can you cite any technical data as to why it's easier to jam a VHF transmitter, broadcasting at 1,500W from 100nm away, than a GHz transmitter, putting out 26W, 11,000 miles away?

Or are the laws of physics old fashioned and no longer relevant.
 
pflemming said:
Thank you! Yes, that is a perfect summary of the situation. But like all true visionaries, I need to contend with resistance and apathy in the ranks of those who paradoxically are entrusted with providing us with our certification.
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Look, if you have the money you say you do, you need no certification, just buy a plane and fly it. There are many who do just this, the chances of getting caught doing it are extremely slim, and the penalty for getting caught is negligible.
 
pflemming said:
Thank you! Yes, that is a perfect summary of the situation. But like all true visionaries, I need to contend with resistance and apathy in the ranks of those who paradoxically are entrusted with providing us with our certification.
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Considering the medium and given the statements you've already made perhaps you could make it clear to the audience that you are being sarcastic.

OTOH, if you aren't being sarcastic then consulting a mental health professional is an appropriate thing to do.
 
Henning said:
Look, if you have the money you say you do, you need no certification, just buy a plane and fly it. There are many who do just this, the chances of getting caught doing it are extremely slim, and the penalty for getting caught is negligible.
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He might not have the money he says he does.
Remember post 606: he uses "hyperbole for dramatic affect."

If you recall he didn't start the thread with a lot of money

post 21
Sorry, yes, should have introduced myself. I've been on and off taking flying lessons for a couple of years. Honestly, with job and family, I don't have a lot of time and have to time it out from an expense point of view.

Post 73
I made a mistake or two but I was taken to the cleaners because I'm honest.
So "taken to the cleaners" for less than the price of his bottle of wine?

Wasn't until 377 that he landed on a pile of cash by not being a pilot because:
"only someone that wants to be poor for a living would choose that route."

Post 377
well, kids, I'm enjoying a $500 bottle of wine and it is going down well.
 
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I have never heard people who have actual money throw around the 'you'll hear from my lawyer' threat.
 
pflemming said:
... some initial conditions and absurd assumptions about future wind conditions and hope like hell the actual winds are the same as when you plotted the course on paper, and oh let's look outside the window occasionally and see if we recognize a landmark.
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Those sure as hell are still there, instead of landmarks its waypoints or other fixes. Under IFR its more critical to pay attention to winds and ground speed since you can't be assured of being able to land at every airport on the chart.

Remember that iPad/Tablet/portable GPS is not a navigation device. Its just there for situational awareness.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
He might not have the money he says he does.
Remember post 606: he uses "hyperbole for dramatic affect."

If you recall he didn't start the thread with a lot of money

post 21
Sorry, yes, should have introduced myself. I've been on and off taking flying lessons for a couple of years. Honestly, with job and family, I don't have a lot of time and have to time it out from an expense point of view.

Post 73
I made a mistake or two but I was taken to the cleaners because I'm honest.
So "taken to the cleaners" for less than the price of his bottle of wine?

Wasn't until 377 that he landed on a pile of cash by not being a pilot because:
"only someone that wants to be poor for a living would choose that route."

Post 377
well, kids, I'm enjoying a $500 bottle of wine and it is going down well.
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There's this one too:

Post 560
His actions are going to prevent me from getting a qualification which will in turn prevent me from using it for financial gain at some point in the future.

If pilots are poor and make no money why would he want to become a pilot "for financial gain"?
 
dmspilot said:
There's this one too:

Post 560
His actions are going to prevent me from getting a qualification which will in turn prevent me from using it for financial gain at some point in the future.

If pilots are poor and make no money why would he want to become a pilot "for financial gain"?
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Probably going to start a business trafficking expensive wines down to Mexico in his heavy ass plane.
 
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Henning said:
Not at all. VOR signals are pretty high power, especially when you compare to GPS. However since you consider both easy to jam or spoof, that should indicate to you that it's even more important to monitor your DST and/or visual pilotage position to cross check your electronic position. Loss of situational awareness is what leads to CFIT accidents.
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You would be correct. This was a test.

:D

What, you think I'm an EE or something? :dunno:
 
pflemming said:
You would be correct. This was a test.

:D

What, you think I'm an EE or something? :dunno:
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This is rich, you are testing us. Good one.

I think it's safe no one will confuse you with an engineer.
 
JeffDG said:
Can you cite any technical data as to why it's easier to jam a VHF transmitter, broadcasting at 1,500W from 100nm away, than a GHz transmitter, putting out 26W, 11,000 miles away?

Or are the laws of physics old fashioned and no longer relevant.
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Never mind.

The reality is that ultimately ground based transmitters are more vulnerable than space based transmitters if someone well and truly wants to disrupt a radio based navigation system, and the target is able to do whatever they can to avoid it.

But we are getting off topic.

I need to take a break, and wait until I have an update on my conversation with the DPE.

You guys are killing me!

:eek:
 
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