Private checkride went horribly wrong!

[pflemming]

Why are people still talking to this guy? This thread needs to die!!!

If this thread dies, you won't need to read it anymore.

I have a GREAT idea for you. How about you go away? That way you don't have to read it, and we don't have to be subjected to your whining posts. We all win!

Thank you, bye bye

(With all due respect)

 

[pflemming]

I am reassured to see that yes, you can judge a book by its cover.

I believe Nouveau Hillbilly would take great exception to this comment!

 

[pflemming]

No, but once the FAA becomes involved, the burden of proof will fall on you to prove that you're not if they so ask.

No problem. I will get an evaluation and drug test to prove this. Then I will sue this idiot DPE to refund me for the expense of having to prove something I didn't have to prove, because of his vendetta against me.

 

[Jeff Oslick]

Nope. His duty is to test me to the PPL standards, no more, no less.

The DPE has significant latitude to fail candidates.

From the PP-PTS
Special Emphasis Areas

Examiners shall place special emphasis upon areas of aircraft
operations considered critical to flight safety. Among these are:

1. Positive aircraft control,
2. Positive exchange of the flight controls procedure,
3. Stall/spin awareness,
4. Collision avoidance,
5. Wake turbulence avoidance,
6. LAHSO,
7. Runway incursion avoidance,
8. CFIT,
9. ADM and risk management,
10. Wire strike avoidance,
11. Checklist usage,
12. Temporary flight restrictions (TFRs),
13. Special use airspace (SUA),
14. Aviation security,
15. Single-Pilot Resource Management (SRM), and
16. Other areas deemed appropriate to any phase of the
practical test.

A given special emphasis area may not be specifically addressed
under a given Task. All areas are essential to flight and will be
evaluated during the practice test.

Aeronautical Decision-Making

References: FAA-H-8083-15, FAA-H-8083-25; AC 60-22.

Objective: To determine that the applicant exhibits sound
aeronautical decision-making during the planning and
execution of the planned flight. The applicant should:

1. Use a sound decision-making process, such as the
DECIDE model, 3P model, or similar process when making
critical decisions that will have an effect on the outcome of
the flight. The applicant should be able to explain the
factors and alternative courses of action that were
considered while making the decision.

2. Recognize and explain any hazardous attitudes that may
have influenced any decision.

3. Decide and execute an appropriate course of action to
properly handle any situation that arises that may cause a
change in the original flight plan in such a way that leads to
a safe and successful conclusion of the flight.

4. Explain how the elements of risk management, CFIT
awareness, overall situational awareness, use of
automation, and task management influenced the decisions
made and the resulting course of action

 

[MAKG1]

I've got $5 that says this whole thing is a troll attempt by that 'benpilot' (of a different board) guy.

Maybe a troll. Not Ben. This isn't at all like him.

 

[Topper]

Well, let me explain this to you. His actions are going to prevent me from getting a qualification which will in turn prevent me from using it for financial gain at some point in the future. Therefore, his false statements about me are going to cause me harm. I will hire an attorney, who can call it anything he wants (libel, slander, whatever), who will send a nasty letter to this DPE who will then probably soil himself. Remember, I have a video of him raising his voice at me, and badgering me. I have no mental defect. I am on no medication. So in the end, he has made an accusation that is false and last time I heard you cannot do that and not expect repercussions.

I doubt he is going to lose any sleep if he gets a letter. I also seriously doubt you will find a serious attorney that will write the letter. Go to another dpe and take a check ride.

Do you have an older friend that maybe runs a business or is an attorney that you can let mentor you a little? You may be a great guy and have a ton of potential, but you have some growing up to do. You may need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

Jim

 

[Henning]

Well, let me explain this to you. His actions are going to prevent me from getting a qualification which will in turn prevent me from using it for financial gain at some point in the future. Therefore, his false statements about me are going to cause me harm. I will hire an attorney, who can call it anything he wants (libel, slander, whatever), who will send a nasty letter to this DPE who will then probably soil himself. Remember, I have a video of him raising his voice at me, and badgering me. I have no mental defect. I am on no medication. So in the end, he has made an accusation that is false and last time I heard you cannot do that and not expect repercussions.

See, you are in denial, and you are projecting. It was not His actions preventing you from anything, it was his MANDATED reaction to YOUR actions which are preventing you from from getting a qualification that will likely kill you at some point in the future, but more importantly, it may get your passengers killed as well. The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, that's why Pt 103 exists. When other people get killed though, it usually starts a chain of events that give people at the FAA indigestion.

The only way here, after your prior posts, to gain any credibility to your claims that the DPE was at fault here is to post your video. The moment you responded to the question, "Did you review the written test material?" with your answer "Why should I, I passed didn't I?" is technically all the cause required right there to fail you because that is a requirement, to review what you missed. The fact that it was 2 years old nearly guarantees that you have forgotten much since then.

 

[Jeff Oslick]

The DPE asked my CFI if I have any known mental issues, or if I am on any kind of medication not reported. Absolutely outrageous!

No, perfectly reasonable. The DPE made an inquiry, not an accusation, according to what you've written here. He probably has a perfectly understandable policy of not getting into an airplane with someone at the controls if he has a question about their mental state, be it a permanent ailment or a temporary state.

 

[Ken Ibold]

Well, let me explain this to you. His actions are going to prevent me from getting a qualification which will in turn prevent me from using it for financial gain at some point in the future. Therefore, his false statements about me are going to cause me harm. I will hire an attorney, who can call it anything he wants (libel, slander, whatever), who will send a nasty letter to this DPE who will then probably soil himself. Remember, I have a video of him raising his voice at me, and badgering me. I have no mental defect. I am on no medication. So in the end, he has made an accusation that is false and last time I heard you cannot do that and not expect repercussions.

You may in fact get a lawyer to write a nastygram (as my lawyer wife calls them), and (s)he will charge you a couple hundred to a couple grand to do so. And the DPE will look at it and file it away. Soil himself? Doubtful. In the first place, you don't have much of a case. And in the second place to recover any money you would have to PROVE actual damages, not simply allege them.

 

[douglas393]

No problem. I will get an evaluation and drug test to prove this. Then I will sue this idiot DPE to refund me for the expense of having to prove something I didn't have to prove, because of his vendetta against me.

Is there a emoticon for digging the hole deeper?

 

[pflemming]

See, you are in denial, and you are projecting. It was not His actions preventing you from anything, it was his MANDATED reaction to YOUR actions which are preventing you from from getting a qualification that will likely kill you at some point in the future, but more importantly, it may get your passengers killed as well. The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, that's why Pt 103 exists. When other people get killed though, it usually starts a chain of events that give people at the FAA indigestion.

The only way here, after your prior posts, to gain any credibility to your claims that the DPE was at fault here is to post your video. The moment you responded to the question, "Did you review the written test material?" with your answer "Why should I, I passed didn't I?" is technically all the cause required right there to fail you because that is a requirement, to review what you missed. The fact that it was 2 years old nearly guarantees that you have forgotten much since then.

Okay, we've been through all of this. I cannot post the video, especially if I intend to use it as part of any legal action.

All I want is to get a retest without this character causing any trouble for me. If he does, I'm going to cause trouble for him. It is that simple. In the end, he can have all his theories about me but he has no proof. There is nothing wrong with me mentally. All I did was try to video tape the session, then argue with him. I have admitted that was a mistake.

 

[moonshine]

See, you are in denial, and you are projecting. It was not His actions preventing you from anything, it was his MANDATED reaction to YOUR actions which are preventing you from from getting a qualification that will likely kill you at some point in the future, but more importantly, it may get your passengers killed as well. The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, that's why Pt 103 exists. When other people get killed though, it usually starts a chain of events that give people at the FAA indigestion.

The only way here, after your prior posts, to gain any credibility to your claims that the DPE was at fault here is to post your video. The moment you responded to the question, "Did you review the written test material?" with your answer "Why should I, I passed didn't I?" is technically all the cause required right there to fail you because that is a requirement, to review what you missed. The fact that it was 2 years old nearly guarantees that you have forgotten much since then.

 

[Ken Ibold]

No problem. I will get an evaluation and drug test to prove this. Then I will sue this idiot DPE to refund me for the expense of having to prove something I didn't have to prove, because of his vendetta against me.

What does a lawsuit cost? Some of the practicing lawyers on this board may have some insight there. Far more than your expenses to this point. And forget about hanging on to the hope that "the loser of the case will pay the winner's legal bill." Almost never happens.

 

[moonshine]

Okay, we've been through all of this. I cannot post the video, especially if I intend to use it as part of any legal action.

Good luck with that

All I want is to get a retest without this character causing any trouble for me.

Sure, he's got nothing better to do than chase Pete around.

If he does, I'm going to cause trouble for him. It is that simple.

You are not in the position. Really.

In the end, he can have all his theories about me but he has no proof. There is nothing wrong with me mentally. All I did was try to video tape the session, then argue with him. I have admitted that was a mistake.

Ok then, what all the fuss is about? Thought you said you've filed a complaint agains him etc?

 

[pflemming]

What does a lawsuit cost? Some of the practicing lawyers on this board may have some insight there. Far more than your expenses to this point. And forget about hanging on to the hope that "the loser of the case will pay the winner's legal bill." Almost never happens.

Nobody will want that (including me), but also including them. Last thing they want is the hassle, email discovery, etc over this silly issue. All I ask for is them to stop threatening me, let me retest, and on we go with our lives.

I would much rather be practicing stalls in my 2 ton plane over your house that dealing with this foolishness!

 

[Henning]

Okay, we've been through all of this. I cannot post the video, especially if I intend to use it as part of any legal action.

All I want is to get a retest without this character causing any trouble for me. If he does, I'm going to cause trouble for him. It is that simple. In the end, he can have all his theories about me but he has no proof. There is nothing wrong with me mentally. All I did was try to video tape the session, then argue with him. I have admitted that was a mistake.

Still in denial, test there are problems with you mentally, and you need t learn to get a handle on them to be a safe pilot.

 

[Ken Ibold]

I would much rather be practicing stalls in my 2 ton plane over your house that dealing with this foolishness!

Please do. I don't particularly like this house anyway.

 

[MAKG1]

Are you claiming the DPE is threatening you? That's new.

And what 2 ton plane have you been flying?

 

[kenjr]

No problem. I will get an evaluation and drug test to prove this. Then I will sue this idiot DPE to refund me for the expense of having to prove something I didn't have to prove, because of his vendetta against me.

Dude, face it. You are just a douchebag. Plain and simple.

I had a DPE fail me last week because he didn't like the way the ELT inspection was recorded in my airplane logbook. Turns out, he should have just let me get the ELT inspected again and recorded properly during the oral like I asked him to do - instead he started calling people in the FSDO and to no surprise they just agreed with him. After I started calling people turns out, 1) he absolutely should have let me get the plane re-inspected so he was happy 2) should have issued a discontinuance if anything - not a failure.

I had to fly to him and pay him $200 for the re-test so the whole thing cost me another day off work, $200 for the retest and another $100 in gas...plus the hassle.

I could have taken your approach and ruffled my feathers, said I told you so, made him change all the paperwork and eat crow...but I didn't and easily passed my flying portion the next time around. I could have easily filed complaints and all the other stuff...but, I didn't.

As they say, "Karma's a b$%&". You better believe it.

After reading all your posts - you've got some serious problems dude. The fact that you even thought a DPE would agree to allowing you to record the checkride in the first place just shows how delusional you are...and then to argue with him when he says 'no'... Go on youtube and see how many videos you can find of someone doing their PPL checkride?

Go get some help, take some Xanax or something, make sure you report it to the FAA of course so your medical is legit and stop flying before you kill yourself or god forbid someone else.

 

[Johann]

Is there a emoticon for digging the hole deeper?

 

[Jeff Oslick]

And what 2 ton plane have you been flying?

Was wondering that myself. Not many folks take their PP-practical in a 4,000# aircraft - especially one that weighs 4,000# with only the pilot & CFI in it.

"Pete", do tell, what does your W&B sheet look like?

 

[JB1842]

Hi all, just got back from my little "vacation". First of all I'd like to say sorry for some of my comments to some of you. KSCessnaDriver, especially to you I was way too harsh in my response to you. I am sorry. It didn't help that I was all liquored up while typing all that. It really wasn't my intention for this to go the way it did. The way I reacted to all y'all's unfair criticism was a little excessive, I know, but how many of you have had to deal with a rogue DPE who has gone ever further with a personal vendetta against you? Not many I'm sure.

Anyway, apologies to all.

For someone who is planning to go on a legal war with a DPE and the FAA, admitting you might have a problem with how you deal with alcohol consumption might not be a wise thing to admit on a public forum.

 

[MikeELP]

Intermission!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHYgjyGoV9s




Mike

 

[douglas393]

Thanks.

 

[MikeELP]

OK...we're back. Here's Pete versus the DPE......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2P86C-1x3o





Mike

 

[comanchepilot]

Hmmm . . . any kind of defamation action requires

1. a statement of fact communicated to third persons . . .
2. tending to injure one in their career or profession
3. causing financial damage which is not
4. true or subject to an affirmative defense . . .

DPE asks a CFI 'if the examinee has any undisclosed mental issues or is taking any medication that might be undisclosed.'

Where are the required elements here? Did the DPE tell the FAA about him? No. did the DPE stop the examinee from taking the exam? Did the DPE do anything other than ask a question about the examinee from his CFI? I'm not see any communication of any statement that is actionable.

Not only does Mr. Flemming et.al. make a lousy potential pilot he also makes a crummy lawyer. . . .

 

[Jeff Oslick]

Intermission!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHYgjyGoV9s




Mike

Any one want to lay odds of getting to 1,000 posts on this thread?

 

[comanchepilot]

The facts as we know them to be . . . . the examinee:

Passed an mock exam from his CFI who signed him off to take his checkride.
Passed the written portion of the exam and has the requisite signoff
Appeared at the Practical and became 'unsettled from the attitude of the DPE;'
Decided, without asking, to record the rest of the test;
The DPE pink slipped him - allegedly for 'not satisfying the PTS' and according to the OP because he 'had it out for him' 'because he was recording the test, which was his right,'
The DPE asked the CFI if the OP had a non-disclosed mental defect or mind altering drug;
He filed a complaint with the FSDO - or maybe he didn't, we're not sure;
He is threatening to sue the guy because of some perceived potential non-extant something the DPE might has said to the CFI in the form of a question;
He just wants to 'get along,' and take another test, without any 'attitude' from the DPE. . .

Is there a psychiatrist in the house? Or someone who stayed in a Holiday In Express last night?

Is this a correct statement of the Facts Mr. Flemming et. al.?

 

[Jeff Oslick]

Or someone who stayed in a Holiday In Express last night?

I might be staying in one tonight. If so, I'll render a psych profile on the OP.

 

[Matthew]

Why am I reminded of this?

 

[Henning]

The facts as we know them to be . . . . the examinee:

Passed an mock exam from his CFI who signed him off to take his checkride.
Passed the written portion of the exam and has the requisite signoff
Appeared at the Practical and became 'unsettled from the attitude of the DPE;'
Decided, without asking, to record the rest of the test;
The DPE pink slipped him - allegedly for 'not satisfying the PTS' and according to the OP because he 'had it out for him' 'because he was recording the test, which was his right,'
The DPE asked the CFI if the OP had a non-disclosed mental defect or mind altering drug;
He filed a complaint with the FSDO - or maybe he didn't, we're not sure;
He is threatening to sue the guy because of some perceived potential non-extant something the DPE might has said to the CFI in the form of a question;
He just wants to 'get along,' and take another test, without any 'attitude' from the DPE. . .

Is there a psychiatrist in the house? Or someone who stayed in a Holiday In Express last night?

Is this a correct statement of the Facts Mr. Flemming et. al.?

Delusional with a persecution complex. The dude reminds me of Nixon.

 

[comanchepilot]

Delusional with a persecution complex. The dude reminds me of Nixon.

The difference is that Nixon really had people out to get him . . .

 

[dmspilot]

Any one want to lay odds of getting to 1,000 posts on this thread?

If OP remains unbanned, 100%.

 

[jesse]

Well, let me explain this to you. His actions are going to prevent me from getting a qualification which will in turn prevent me from using it for financial gain at some point in the future. Therefore, his false statements about me are going to cause me harm. I will hire an attorney, who can call it anything he wants (libel, slander, whatever), who will send a nasty letter to this DPE who will then probably soil himself. Remember, I have a video of him raising his voice at me, and badgering me. I have no mental defect. I am on no medication. So in the end, he has made an accusation that is false and last time I heard you cannot do that and not expect repercussions.

You're ridiculous. He can say to you whatever the hell you want and you're burning some serious bridges in a very small community by even suggesting such things. What are you going to sue him for? Saying something to you that you didn't like to hear? That's his job.

 

[Geico266]

Well, let me explain this to you. His actions are going to prevent me from getting a qualification which will in turn prevent me from using it for financial gain at some point in the future. Therefore, his false statements about me are going to cause me harm. I will hire an attorney, who can call it anything he wants (libel, slander, whatever), who will send a nasty letter to this DPE who will then probably soil himself. Remember, I have a video of him raising his voice at me, and badgering me. I have no mental defect. I am on no medication. So in the end, he has made an accusation that is false and last time I heard you cannot do that and not expect repercussions.

Delusions of grandeur.

 

[pflemming]

Dude, face it. You are just a douchebag. Plain and simple.
.

Well no, I won't face it. I don't mind being called names (sticks and stones, etc), but really there is a double standard if I get banned for this but it is okay for you.

By the way, congratulations on your checkride. I liked your write up. If anything, you should sympathize with me having also fallen prey to a dumbass DPE. Yes, you handled it better. But please don't let this PPL thing go to your head, you're just sounding a little bit like an arrogant prick at the moment.

 

[airguy]

Any one want to lay odds of getting to 1,000 posts on this thread?

By what date? I'll put a $500 bottle of wine on 4pm Tuesday...

 

[pflemming]

Delusions of grandeur.

Big difference between delusions of grandeur, and supreme self confidence and knowledge that I am the best in whatever I do. Even when I fail, I fail spectacularly.

 

[Henning]

Well no, I won't face it. I don't mind being called names (sticks and stones, etc), but really there is a double standard if I get banned for this but it is okay for you.

By the way, congratulations on your checkride. I liked your write up. If anything, you should sympathize with me having also fallen prey to a dumbass DPE. Yes, you handled it better. But please don't let this PPL thing go to your head, you're just sounding a little bit like an arrogant prick at the moment.

Where as you sound like an arrogant prick in every post you make....

 

[Ken Ibold]

Big difference between delusions of grandeur, and supreme self confidence and knowledge that I am the best in whatever I do. Even when I fail, I fail spectacularly.

This "person" is sounding more like EdFred all the time.