Geico266
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Negative. Experimental before the exemption could not be used for hire. Many, if not all CFI's that had experimental were prohibited from using them for training. Now there is an exemption path available.
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Negative. Experimental before the exemption could not be used for hire. Many, if not all CFI's that had experimental were prohibited from using them for training. Now there is an exemption path available.
Geico266
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Geico266
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This thread is about buying an RV.
OP this is not the place for comprehensive advice. Go to VAF
I would prefer the -7 over the -6, and get a tail dragger. They are easy to land.
OP this is not the place for comprehensive advice. Go to VAF
I would prefer the -7 over the -6, and get a tail dragger. They are easy to land.
Several years old yes, so why is this being touted as a current excuse? Many people are also buying complete and flying planes, that's actually what has given the RV the market share it has, so many serial and professional builders are building and selling them.
DaleB
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"current excuse" for what, exactly? I don't recall anyone making excuses for anything, maybe I missed it.
Why do people wreck RVs? Mostly, I think, for the same reason they wreck everything else. Maybe a contributing factor is that you have an airplane that does not require either HP or complex endorsements to legally fly, but is much faster and more responsive than factory built aircraft that also don't require additional training. I don't know, and I've stopped worrying about it. If Joe Blow wants to hop into way more airplane than he's ever flown before with no training, there's not much I can do about it. It happens, it always has.
I've been a VAF member for almost a year now. In that time the message from every single person there has been very consistent. Attention to detail, quality of build, training, education, don't screw with changing things without fully understanding what you're doing, get transition training, fly well within your limits. That's also been the attitude from every single EAA member I have met, as well as EAA at large.
bbchien
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Paging Jay. Paging Jay. You need to read this....
airguy
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Nope - VAF is pretty well moderated, and if it's a post that doesn't pertain to RV flying or a subject directly related to RV's, it gets deleted. We don't have the severe level of thread drift and bashing that is found here.
Doug Reeves keeps a tight leash on troublemakers on his site, trolls are not tolerated, it keeps the site friendly and happy. POA could learn a thing or two from that...
Geico266
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So you were wrong. What did you say about me spreading misfacts as truth and not doing fact finding?
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Seriously? That's what they try to do over on the AOPA boards and people quit to come over here. They get accused of being totalitarian Nazis over there when the enforce their aviation only policy. Things seems to be going a bit better over there as the mods are relaxing the leash a little.
On MooneySpace where I frequent, there is no moderation and by and large everyone behaves. People go there to talk about Mooneys and aviation, not news, politics, bicycles, etc. I guess it just depends on what you want out of forum. Focused control, or Wild West?
colojo
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Mostly sad. Pathetic, even. And unfortunately fairly typical here at POA, which would otherwise be a tremendous resource for pilots of all stripes.
My observation is that it's the same few blowhard dorks that ruin it for everyone else. The same guys as the inevitable a**hole or two that always seem to inhabit your hangar row.
The two type-specific boards I belong to are MUCH better than this swamp, that's for sure. Keep the blue side up, kids. I'm going to go hang with the adults.
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This board is giving me the impression it's a ****ing match in every thread. Many forums can be ruined by a small group of devout thread bullies that pull together and challenge every newcomer to the point of silence. OP, you go with your gut on whatever you buy. No one can tell you if a plane is a fit or not. Naturally, you have to sit in it, fly it, and judge for yourself of coarse.
I own a certified aircraft, and I'm looking for a Glasair or equivalent. I was just blind lucky that my first airplane purchase (our 180) was a perfect fit and a perfect deal, for a well maintained airplane, and the people were stellar to deal with.
What I'm learning with this second purchase is, an airplane kind of finds you as much as you find it. It all has to kind of 'come together' in a certain fashion. Most sellers of experimentals are extremely proud of them. Especially if they built it. The buyer and the seller must establish a decent rapport with each other, or it won't work. When it happens, it will all feel right and be right. Certified or not. That's my $.02
I own a certified aircraft, and I'm looking for a Glasair or equivalent. I was just blind lucky that my first airplane purchase (our 180) was a perfect fit and a perfect deal, for a well maintained airplane, and the people were stellar to deal with.
What I'm learning with this second purchase is, an airplane kind of finds you as much as you find it. It all has to kind of 'come together' in a certain fashion. Most sellers of experimentals are extremely proud of them. Especially if they built it. The buyer and the seller must establish a decent rapport with each other, or it won't work. When it happens, it will all feel right and be right. Certified or not. That's my $.02
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says the jihadist defending the cessna mixmaster against any and all non-complimentary comments
Honestly I don't believe anyone would try it.
I'm just amazed the zealots come over here and go on their "jihad" constantly attacking anyone who doesn't share their zeal for a particular airplane.
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If that was truly your intent in your first post failed.
As inarticulate as I may have been, I was once enamoured with the Grumman Tiger. My heart's set on an RV-9 Now.
So you were wrong. What did you say about me spreading misfacts as truth and not doing fact finding?
How am I wrong? Does the LOA exist? Yes. Has it existed for several years now? Yes. Can you get instruction in your experimental plane? Yes.
Geico266
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Honestly I don't believe anyone would try it.
I'm just amazed the zealots come over here and go on their "jihad" constantly attacking anyone who doesn't share their zeal for a particular airplane.
Zealots? Jihad?
How many posts have you had in the home built section of POA before this thread? As soon as you and the other school girls see a thread with "RV" in it you start in bashing the plane, builders, and flyers. Talk about some one on a jihad... You need to look in the mirror.
Typical FAA Inspector style. Single out pilots and experimentals.
Geico266
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Swing and a miss. Now you are changing the parameters of the question.
Geico266
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As inarticulate as I may have been, I was once enamoured with the Grumman Tiger. My heart's set on an RV-9 Now.
You only live once my friend, and we ain't getting any younger.
I know where there is a nice 9a for sale! Unadvertised! No, I'm not making anything on the sale.
bbchien
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No.....typical too much to drink style.....I'm just sayin......
Geico266
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No alcohol for 2 weeks DR. B, strict orders from my GP until she see a decrease in my BP.
Mmmmm, nope, hasn't changed a bit. You said it's forbidden, I said it wasn't, you have failed to show me incorrect.
Geico266
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We're talking aerobatics, in the CFI's plane.
Yes, what's forbidden there? Even without the LOA you can still charge for the instruction, just not the plane. With the LOA you can charge for both. However, why wouldn't the owners be getting the instruction in their own planes? Besides, aerobatics is aerobatics, you can learn them in any plane, what you learn is energy management and the feel for Gs beyond 2 which scare the uninitiated.
az350x
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My advice for you is this- don't bother reading the thread you started looking for helpful information. Your sincere attempt at gathering useful information has turned into pages of flaming and d!ck measuring. I joined this forum a few weeks ago on a similar quest, and think I'm done now.
Ciao.
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And if you don't want to hear Aggie jokes, don't wear your A&M class ring or decorate your car with ATM stuff.
Or if you don't like lawyer jokes, choose a different profession.
Or if you're an Okie living in Dallas, get used to the fact that the big-time sports radio guy always refers to your school as "Zero U".
If you know which flavor Koolaide you like and want the conversation limited accordingly, there are places that will provide that atmosphere.
Or if you don't like lawyer jokes, choose a different profession.
Or if you're an Okie living in Dallas, get used to the fact that the big-time sports radio guy always refers to your school as "Zero U".
If you know which flavor Koolaide you like and want the conversation limited accordingly, there are places that will provide that atmosphere.
bbchien
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Ciao. Somehow, the guys with the thin logbooks just can't accept information from the guys with the big fat logbooks. Doesn't matter if you got it in an RV6 or in a P3.
Look at Jay Honeck's reaction to being told Zoom Climb was a fool's errand....BTW Jay, your nosegear video shows you land too fast (but you were given the "gospel" by a master, I guess), but I didn't comment in that string because you would have told me I was "anti RV".
sigh.
That's life.
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I think Jay eventually saw the light on both issues. Isn't that the idea?
So why continue to pound that drum?
bbchien
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Because it's another example of the big logbook guys not being able to tell a small logbook guy anything. It's like having a teenage kid. A lot of homebuilders with 800 hours, you can't tell diddly to.
You guys saying it's all bout dissing EAB.. No. It's not. It's about enthusiastic pilots thinking they know what they cannot know.
That includes you too, Roscoe.
You guys saying it's all bout dissing EAB.. No. It's not. It's about enthusiastic pilots thinking they know what they cannot know.
That includes you too, Roscoe.
It's all good Bruce. Some will pull off, some won't.
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The sad part about Honeck was, after his gopro (2 screws on a bulkhead, sigh) went to under the wing and some other pilots pointed out that he was landing too fast, Jay went to:
(1) I was taught by a master.
and then and only after another beating, to
(2) A lower number.
Darwin may be awaiting another honoree, because some people "you can't tell nuttin'."
Caio, az350x.
Kyleb, you never answered my question as to who the insurer was so I'm calling your bluff on the umbrella liability. All hat. No cattle.
(1) I was taught by a master.
and then and only after another beating, to
(2) A lower number.
Darwin may be awaiting another honoree, because some people "you can't tell nuttin'."
Caio, az350x.
Kyleb, you never answered my question as to who the insurer was so I'm calling your bluff on the umbrella liability. All hat. No cattle.
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State Farm. If you re-read that thread, you'll see that I said WTTE "EAB seller's liability wasn't top of mind when I took out the policy." In other words, I didn't and haven't re-read the policy to see if it is covered. Since I have no intention of selling my airplane anytime soon, it isn't worth the time to look it up.
Please keep up the insults. I think you gain a lot of respect that way.
Geico266
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No, it was illegal for a CFI to use his experimental for training. Period. They were NOT for hire. Period. There were cases where the FAA fines the CFI charging $125 an hour and the plane was "free". They are not stupid, and it caused many CFI's to not use their experimental.
You can keep dancing around the answer, but ask yourself one thing ol wise one. If it wasn't a problem why did they fix it?
If CFI's could legally use their experimental for training then why did the EAA waste their time to get a letter of exemption rule in place to allow it? Transition training before first flight of the homebuilders plane in the plane is impossible.
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Geico266
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I believe Jay took the constructive advice and is improving his skills. He needed to "unlearn" the sloppy flying certified planes teach you.
Geico266
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No it's about dissing E-AB. This is the home builders forum. How many posts have you had in this forum before this thread? You are simply piling on and now bashing newbies.
No, it was illegal for a CFI to use his experimental for training. Period. They were NOT for hire. Period. There were cases where the FAA fines the CFI charging $125 an hour and the plane was "free". They are not stupid, and it caused many CFI's to not use their experimental.
You can keep dancing around the answer, but ask yourself one thing ol wise one. If it wasn't a problem why did they fix it?
Transition training before first flight of the homebuilders plane in the plane is impossible.
WAS, what is the current excuse? It is now possible and has been for several years now.
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Currently the difference in accidents rates for certified -v- experimental is .3%. Those stats were reported here, I didn't look them up . I suspect as more CFI's use there E-AB's for training that number will be reduced further in time.
Yes, you might not want to share the skies with me because I think an RV airframe is in a different strength class than that of a 180. What a controversial statement that was. Jeez. I guess it takes a real fat logbook to have perspective on these matters.
Go ahead, call me crazy. What else do I think I know that I cannot, but yet those of you with your "fat" logbooks do? BTW, I'm agnostic - I readily admit that there are things I cannot know. I wish there were more like that in this world.
Currently the difference in accidents rates for certified -v- experimental is .3%. Those stats were reported here, I didn't look them up . I suspect as more CFI's use there E-AB's for training that number will be reduced further in time.
Don't count all experimental, what's the difference between the RV community and certified? Note, I consider the airframes equally good.