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I don't think I could afford it if 1,690 people sent me 100 bucks. I'll sure as hell try though.
 
bartmc said:
I don't think I could afford it if 1,690 people sent me 100 bucks. I'll sure as hell try though.
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How much money do you believe that aircraft will cost to run the next 100 hours?
 
Tom-D said:
How much money do you believe that aircraft will cost to run the next 100 hours?
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2250 gallons of fuel at $5 a gallon is $11,250, 10 gallons of Phillips X/C 20/50 at $25 gallon (guessing) is $250. Insuring $169,000 vintage tail dragger as a new TW pilot like Bart or for you with your recent mishap in the Fairchild is going to run $8500 a year, so given 50hrs a year that's $17,000. If the plane is in great condition, figure you'll need about 40 hrs of maintenance and 2 annuals, you can value that however you please since it's your time, but I suspect there will be at least $1000 in parts involved. For anyone else that'll add up to around $7500. Hangar is a big variable, but that's a big plane as well, I don't think it goes in a standard T hangar, let's call it $500 a month as a median cost between the $250 spots and $750 spots so that's $12,000 for the next 2 years. That gives me a total of $41,500 for you and $49,000 for Bart.... It would be way more for me because I'd hang a 985 on it, put it on Amphibs and give it a G-600/GNS-750 panel, although my insurance would be considerably lower.
 
Henning said:
2250 gallons of fuel at $5 a gallon is $11,250, 10 gallons of Phillips X/C 20/50 at $25 gallon (guessing) is $250. Insuring $169,000 vintage tail dragger as a new TW pilot like Bart or for you with your recent mishap in the Fairchild is going to run $8500 a year, so given 50hrs a year that's $17,000. If the plane is in great condition, figure you'll need about 40 hrs of maintenance and 2 annuals, you can value that however you please since it's your time, but I suspect there will be at least $1000 in parts involved. For anyone else that'll add up to around $7500. Hangar is a big variable, but that's a big plane as well, I don't think it goes in a standard T hangar, let's call it $500 a month as a median cost between the $250 spots and $750 spots so that's $12,000 for the next 2 years. That gives me a total of $41,500 for you and $49,000 for Bart.... It would be way more for me because I'd hang a 985 on it, put it on Amphibs and give it a G-600/GNS-750 panel, although my insurance would be considerably lower.
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I don't know where you get your numbers but they are way off.

My insurance would be closer to 1300 with the same company as the 24.

the R-680 burns about 10-12 gal cruise, 12X100 = 120 gal. @ $5.00=$6000

the 680 will use a little oil, probably 1 qt in 10 thats 10qts at $5.00 = $50.00

It will fit in my hangar at $350 per month. but who needs a hangar?

and of course you get carried away with modern equipment in an antique. simply look out the window and go.
 
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Tom-D said:
I don't know where you get your numbers but they are way off.

My insurance would be closer to 1300 with the same company as the 24.

the R-680 burns about 10-12 gal cruise, 12X100 = 120 gal. @ $5.00=$1205

the 680 will use a little oil, probably 1 qt in 10 thats 10qts at $5.00 = $50.00

It will fit in my hangar at $350 per month. but who needs a hangar?

and of course you get carried away with modern equipment in an antique. simply look out the window and go.
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I'd love to know who you get your insurance through, that's 7/10%, that means I could insure my 310 with them for $615 a year, I doubt that; and I have no accidents or 709 rides on my insurance record.
 
Henning said:
I'd love to know who you get your insurance through, that's 7/10%, that means I could insure my 310 with them for $615 a year, I doubt that; and I have no accidents or 709 rides on my insurance record.
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But yet you have claimed multiple times about being involved in various crashes? :dunno:
 
Tom-D said:
the R-680 burns about 10-12 gal cruise, 12X100 = 120 gal. @ $5.00=$1205
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Minor math boo boo. 12x100=1200 gal. @5.00??= $6000.

Either way, just fly it. Its just money, and money is replaceable. :rolleyes::wink2:
 
If he's lucky to find an overseas buyer, he might see $169k, but I suspect he will have a hard time finding a US buyer that will cough up that much.
 
Fearless Tower said:
If he's lucky to find an overseas buyer, he might see $169k, but I suspect he will have a hard time finding a US buyer that will cough up that much.
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Have you ever tried to start low then go high ?
 
Greg Bockelman said:
Fuel and oil, insurance and about 3 annuals the way I seem to fly GA these days. :yes:
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I don't know what you pay for annuals, but were they to bring that Aircraft to me I'd do the annual for costs and a ride :)
 
Tom-D said:
Have you ever tried to start low then go high ?
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Agreed....I was just commenting at the high price considering that I don't think I have seen a Reliant even listed for more than $100k in the last few years.
 
John Baker said:
Actually I think you would need about 3,380 people to send you a hundred dollars, or were you thinking of not paying your "fair share" in taxes?

-John
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IMO, My fair share is as little as legally possible. Is there income tax due on "gifts"?
 
Tom-D said:
I knew Bo's areowning a plane is expensive, but WoW!
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FTFY.

Pretty easy to back of the envelope calculate.

Hangar $350@12 months. = $4,200 (Current hangar is $400/mo)
Annual this year = $2,700
Insurance $75K Hull = $1,600

We're at $8,500 before I've set the mags hot.

She burns 13.5 to 14GPH (I figure at 14, usually get 13.5) at an average of $5.50/gal (Surely to go up this year base on my airport move). That's $77 bucks an hour @ 100 hours that's $7,700

add it all up $16,200 bucks, and we haven't even figured in mid year oil changes, transponder tests, static tests, CFI costs, incidentals during the year etc... I probably spent $20K+ this past year.

I don't recommend anyone else doing this exercise :D
 
Henning said:
Try to read that again and go for comprehension this time.
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Oh I comprehend quite well actually. You've claimed multiple crashes in airplanes on this board and others, and from your description of the crashes they are categorized as "accidents" by the NTSB.

But in retrospect you are correct, there are no "crashes" on your record. ;)

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RotorAndWing said:
Oh I comprehend quite well actually. You've claimed multiple crashes in airplanes on this board and others, and from your description of the crashes they are categorized as "accidents" by the NTSB.

But in retrospect you are correct, there are no "crashes" on your record. ;)

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it does appear there are inconsistancies in his statements:
[Henning
March 25th, 2005, 03:37 PM
709 ride....sigh.

They didn't 709 me when I took out some high tension lines. Probably because they were sagging a lot lower than they should have been (I couldn't get under them with an Ag Cat, realized it at the last moment, popped up & caught the set with the gear. Luckily I got the nose down and had a full tank in the hopper so my inertia busted them) and didn't crash.
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Ref: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-570.html

So, you found an issue, talked to the feds about it, they were "actually quite helpful", yet your post wreecks of disdain for them. Why is that? I don't get everyones aversion to the FAA guys. I've never had a bad experience. Once a radio tech guy was sent out to an Ag crash and I ended up infront of an ASC and FAA Counsel, but when I got there and they read the report, Counsels question to me was " You had an engine failure in an Ag plane?"" Yes"" No one was hurt, no property except the plane damaged""Nope""Why are we here?""Because you sent me a letter saying I had to come or you'd pull my license". I've never had a truly bad encounter with them.]
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Ref: http://www.purpleboard.net/forums/showthread.php?p=50965&highlight=engine+failure+ag+plane#post50965

That isn't 100% accurate. Planes are effected by changes in the wind. There is the inertia of the plane to consider. I flew through a frontal boundary in the middle of a spray run once and the change in relative wind left me "not flying" for a moment and since I didn't have any altitude to give up for either time or airspeed, I went in. Always remember, inertia is part of the equation.
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ref: http://forums.aopa.org/showthread.php?p=1378504&highlight=accurate+effected+wind#post1378504
 
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