Should Marijuana Be Legalized?

Should Marijuana Be Legalized?

  • No, it is an illegal gate way drug. Keep the laws right here.

    Votes: 31 21.5%

  • Yes, for adults. Tax and regulate it.

    Votes: 109 75.7%

  • Maybe, if more studies are done.

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • What is marijuana anyway?

    Votes: 3 2.1%
  • Total voters
    144
John221us said:
Your entitled to your opinion, but mocking mine does not make your point, whatever it might have been.
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His point was simply to highlight how silly it is to say you object to legalizing marijuana primarily because you just don't like smoking period.

I'd say it was effective.
 
Fearless Tower said:
His point was simply to highlight how silly it is to say you object to legalizing marijuana primarily because you just don't like smoking period.

I'd say it was effective.
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Hmm, it struck me as grade school level behavior. By what measure is my opinion "silly"? I would characterize both yours and his response as a type of bullying. An attempt to invalidate my opinion by making mocking statements and putting labels on it that are negative but make no factual argument to support your disagreement. There are plenty of studies to support my opinion that second hand smoke is dangerous. If it weren't for the second hand smoke aspect of smoking weed, I really don't have a problem with legalizing it.
 
"There are plenty of studies to support my opinion that second hand smoke is dangerous."

Plenty of studies to support anything you want. That doesn't necessarily make them any more unbiased than the poll that began this discussion.:yes::no::yes::no::dunno:
 
denverpilot said:
Do you feel the same way about tailpipes on cars? Should they be banned?

How about anuses? Do you feel the same about farts? May humans near you ingest burritos, oh great one? ;)

Ban Ye, The Anuses of Flatulation, for Squire John's nose may yet detect even a minuscule amount in the air -- upon whence he shall complain mightily, in a most self-righteous fashion.

We shall have none of this. Ban Anus! Ban Anus!

ROFL.
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You're on a roll today, Nate.
 
It's a sad day when two of the most innocuous guys on the board get in to it with each other.
 
Legalize it, tax it, and move on.... No, I've never smoked it bad don't intend to, just seems that the American farmer could use another cash crop.
 
Norman said:
"There are plenty of studies to support my opinion that second hand smoke is dangerous."

Plenty of studies to support anything you want. That doesn't necessarily make them any more unbiased than the poll that began this discussion.:yes::no::yes::no::dunno:
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Seriously?

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/health_effects/

http://www.epa.gov/smokefre/healtheffects.html

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/secondhand-smoke

http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/about-smoking/health-effects/secondhand-smoke.html

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/111/20/2684.abstract

This debate was put to bed years ago.
 
Ken Ibold said:
Not at all. I specifically said I disagree with the government's position on pot. But I disagree with the position that it's harmless, too. You want to take a few bong hits, go ahead. Unless you're a drummer; it tends to throw off your timing.
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:rockon:


75% of a mostly conservative crowd say legalize it and tax it. :dunno:
 
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ClimbnSink said:
If a professor ran a study and found no significant ill effects from second hand smoke would his career be affected? Oh no not all, tenure, academic freedom, oh great america... Seriously?
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If the data is sound and the interpretation reasonable, not in the slightest. None of you understands the first thing about the scientific method or how scientists function. Its sort of like a non-pilot telling you how to fly and aircraft IFR. Heck, I myself have overturned important scientific dogma a decade old.

I myself think if we're to outlaw a substance it should be based on that substance's deleterious properties. There is no evidence that marijuana is a gateway drug. None. It is far less addictive than alcohol, tobacco, or any other narcotic. It has clear and documented beneficial effects in some medical situations.

The biggest argument I've seen is this "think of the children" crap. We already bar children from alcohol and tobacco, for whatever the prohibition is worth. We have laws against driving under the influence of a debilitating agent. I just don't see these arguments as terribly valid.

I will never argue that marijuana is good for you. I will argue that it is less bad than things that are legal now, thus its illegality is contrary to just about all established data and good sense. Moreover, I can point to nations that have legalized THC and other narcotics to great success, with reduced rather than increased levels of drug usage.
 
ClimbnSink said:
If a professor ran a study and found no significant ill effects from second hand smoke would his career be affected? Oh no not all, tenure, academic freedom, oh great america... Seriously?
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It appears that my opinion is unpopular in this forum. So far everyone refuting my opinion has done so with mere conjecture and mocking, not one shred of empirical evidence, including the above quoted post. I do feel that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I have no problem with intelligent debate, but wishing something doesn't make it so. The scientific and medical community has long accepted that second hand smoke is dangerous. I have included several links above to support that. Peace out.
 
Marijuana can be harmful, very plainly. We've see the PET scans.

But the practical reality is thus:

Say we interdict 99% of the flow. Then, price goes up 100 fold. Now the value of a 1000 lb haul exceeds the entire budget of the regional law enforcement authorities.

It cannot go on like this. When you have RPGs from CentCom inventory, being used by the drug lords in the border battles, you know the republic is in great danger.

Gotta legalize, tax, and drug test all the applicants in critical positions. Remember, Rome, and the USA, was build on commerce.
 
I'd wager the alcohol lobby would fight legal MJ to keep their corner on legal intoxicants.
 
bbchien said:
Marijuana can be harmful, very plainly. We've see the PET scans.
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No more than other very legal substances. Booze someone up every day of his or her life and then do the PEt scans. While you're at it do a physical. You won't like what you see.

bbchien said:
Gotta legalize, tax, and drug test all the applicants in critical positions. Remember, Rome, and the USA, was build on commerce.
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Actually, Rome was built on conquest, which is why the whole thing fell on its six when they ran out of folks to conquer.

Gotta agree with you on the former just do to practicality. Interdiction has never worked. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Time for a new approach.
 
I guess the larger question is...

...should yo be allowed to smoke pot if you have tats. And if you get high is that "highness" measured in terms of AGL or MSL?
 
timwinters said:
I guess the larger question is...

...should yo be allowed to smoke pot if you have tats. And if you get high is that "highness" measured in terms of AGL or MSL?
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Personally I get tattoos for every abortion and I have a Doc who lets me shoot people of any other race with my evil AR-15 like a little racist shooting gallery, and smoking pot for "medical" purposes, while I'm having both procedures done simultaneously. Usually the 911 dispatcher on the phone recommends against this but I continue until they arrive and issue a no-knock raid on my abortion/tatoo parlor and shoot my dog wearing full military gear. I usually hurl some boring personal insults their way and label them socialists while ObamaCare picks up the tab for the abortionist/tatoo artist.

(There, did I summarize the last six months of SZ correctly? Is it time to revive the airplane on a treadmill thread???). :) :) :)
 
denverpilot said:
Personally I get tattoos for every abortion and I have a Doc who lets me shoot people of any other race with my evil AR-15 like a little racist shooting gallery, and smoking pot for "medical" purposes, while I'm having both procedures done simultaneously. Usually the 911 dispatcher on the phone recommends against this but I continue until they arrive and issue a no-knock raid on my abortion/tatoo parlor and shoot my dog wearing full military gear. I usually hurl some boring personal insults their way and label them socialists while ObamaCare picks up the tab for the abortionist/tatoo artist.

(There, did I summarize the last six months of SZ correctly? Is it time to revive the airplane on a treadmill thread???). :) :) :)
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I'm only 3 abortions away from my free one! I even get a Planned Parenthood swag bag! Wooooooo!
 
John221us said:
Hmm, it struck me as grade school level behavior. By what measure is my opinion "silly"? I would characterize both yours and his response as a type of bullying. An attempt to invalidate my opinion by making mocking statements and putting labels on it that are negative but make no factual argument to support your disagreement. There are plenty of studies to support my opinion that second hand smoke is dangerous. If it weren't for the second hand smoke aspect of smoking weed, I really don't have a problem with legalizing it.
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Since smoking is not allowed just about anywhere I do not see the second hand smoke an issue.
I do not see them not letting you smoking Marijuana were you can not smoke cigarettes. Then we are talking about government so :mad2:
 
denverpilot said:
Bratwurst and iced tea. I shall issue the small craft warnings for Chatfield and Aurora Reservoirs before they take full effect. ;)
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Locally produced organic bratwurst?
 
There are dangers with any drug or food.

As drugs go, I suspect marijuana has a minimal risk. If there was a cheap, accurate, and reliable field blood or urine sobriety test I might be more inclined to support legalization.

I do think to some limited extent it should be legal for medical use. Regretfully the states that have "legalized" medical marijuana, do not seem to properly regulate marijuana as a drug. So marijuana that is in dispensaries for "medical use" can be inconsistent and have lots of contaminants (insecticides, fungicides, herbicides, molds, mildews, and other chemicals).

Many marijuana advocates falsely claim that there's never been an overdose from marijuana. Many marijuana advocates ignore and downplay the dangers of marijuana. Many marijuana proponents exaggerate or fabricate the dangers of marijuana. There is clearly heavy bias on both sides of the issue.

Teen Use of Marijuana Can Lower IQ: Studies Show Pot Damage Permanent
http://www.decodedscience.com/teen-...er-iq-studies-show-pot-damage-permanent/34109
 
bbchien said:
Marijuana can be harmful, very plainly. We've see the PET scans.

But the practical reality is thus:

Say we interdict 99% of the flow. Then, price goes up 100 fold. Now the value of a 1000 lb haul exceeds the entire budget of the regional law enforcement authorities.

It cannot go on like this. When you have RPGs from CentCom inventory, being used by the drug lords in the border battles, you know the republic is in great danger.

Gotta legalize, tax, and drug test all the applicants in critical positions. Remember, Rome, and the USA, was build on commerce.
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I'm going to go with this.

Chances are, 25%+ won't smoke pot if its legal anyways.

Potheads are a must for any self-respecting college dorm. Who'd you make fun of otherwise? :dunno:

At least that's how it was when I went to school over on the other side of the pond. You drink manly drinks straight up and make fun of the stoners. Good times.
 
MJ will not be legal for a long time because too much power and money is wasted by LE pretending to care about stopping it.
 
Why not just forget about it and leave it alone. Funny how conservatives are all of a sudden all for taxing something.
 
Norman said:
No vote from me in a biased poll, but if you enjoy seeing your money going to support some drug cartel have a smoke.
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This right the is the biggest reason I am for legalization. It's going to happen anyway and I'd rather the money stay at home and go to honest people.
 
Skylane81E said:
This right the is the biggest reason I am for legalization. It's going to happen anyway and I'd rather the money stay at home and go to honest people.
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No money would go to the cartels if you could buy weed at the farmers market.
 
Back when the boys were still teenagers, the Wife and I would discuss this issue a lot. We often discussed if we would be more comfortable knowing that our boys were riding around with their friends drunk from alcohol, or high on marijuana???

Growing-up myself, when a class-mate/teen would die from our school or another, it was almost always from a terrible car accident induced by alcohol.

I do not drink alcohol or use marijuana, but I feel that it should be 100% legal for medicinal purposes.
 
Myself, I'm for legalizing all drugs. Disbanding the DEA would save us more money than we could ever collect on taxing drugs, but then how does a government save money? Taxpayers themselves would save nothing, whatever money we don't senselessly blow on the DEA, we would blow on something else. Taxes would not be reduced for anyone.

Everyone wrings their hands in terror at the idea of legalizing all drugs. We did something very close to that when we ended Prohibition. Our nation did not turn into a nation of drunkards, in fact the percentage of our population that were diagnosed alcoholics remained pretty much the same after Prohibition was ended as it was during prohibition. There was at first a spike in usage, but then it dropped back to normal. Anyone who thinks alcohol is not a drug had better rethink it. Alcohol is as much a drug as marijuana or cocaine.

The DEA is nothing more than a very large group of people who have a vested interest in keeping drugs illegal, much the same as any drug cartel. They put out anti drug propaganda, but all it is really is nothing but advertising using reverse psychology to keep the public's interest in drugs going. Without a market, there would be no need for the DEA, or the drug cartels, so they both advertise on behalf of the drug industry.

They start their advertising at the grade school level and have successfully turned drug use into the very much desired "forbidden fruit". The biggest push the drug industry ever received was the "Just Say NO to Drugs" campaign of the 1970s. They had it in the classroom, and just about every day on television. Within a month after the campaign started they had just about every kid in America wondering about drugs.

The government claims it was a campaign to stop drug use, but drug use increased considerably after the campaign started, just as the DEA knew it would. Heck I would not be surprised if the cartels jumped in and stated paying for some of that.

A government agencies only real goal is to exist and grow, everything else is secondary.

Myself, I think the DEA should be disbanded and all drugs legalized. I am convinced drug use would actually drop in the long run. The problem is that we have been brainwashed our entire lives about the evils of drugs, usually by people who headed straight for a bar when they got off work.

-John
 
I say treat recreational drugs just like any other drug. Send them up to the FDA for trials and evaluation. If they pass the standard, then package it and sell it at CVS, or Walgreens. Time to get out of the business of legislating morality.

Legalize marijuana, it's time.
 
John Baker said:
Myself, I'm for legalizing all drugs. Disbanding the DEA would save us more money than we could ever collect on taxing drugs, but then how does a government save money? Taxpayers themselves would save nothing, whatever money we don't senselessly blow on the DEA, we would blow on something else. Taxes would not be reduced for anyone.

Everyone wrings their hands in terror at the idea of legalizing all drugs. We did something very close to that when we ended Prohibition. Our nation did not turn into a nation of drunkards, in fact the percentage of our population that were diagnosed alcoholics remained pretty much the same after Prohibition was ended as it was during prohibition. There was at first a spike in usage, but then it dropped back to normal. Anyone who thinks alcohol is not a drug had better rethink it. Alcohol is as much a drug as marijuana or cocaine.

The DEA is nothing more than a very large group of people who have a vested interest in keeping drugs illegal, much the same as any drug cartel. They put out anti drug propaganda, but all it is really is nothing but advertising using reverse psychology to keep the public's interest in drugs going. Without a market, there would be no need for the DEA, or the drug cartels, so they both advertise on behalf of the drug industry.

They start their advertising at the grade school level and have successfully turned drug use into the very much desired "forbidden fruit". The biggest push the drug industry ever received was the "Just Say NO to Drugs" campaign of the 1970s. They had it in the classroom, and just about every day on television. Within a month after the campaign started they had just about every kid in America wondering about drugs.

The government claims it was a campaign to stop drug use, but drug use increased considerably after the campaign started, just as the DEA knew it would. Heck I would not be surprised if the cartels jumped in and stated paying for some of that.

A government agencies only real goal is to exist and grow, everything else is secondary.

Myself, I think the DEA should be disbanded and all drugs legalized. I am convinced drug use would actually drop in the long run. The problem is that we have been brainwashed our entire lives about the evils of drugs, usually by people who headed straight for a bar when they got off work.

-John
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Very well stated..I agree 100% and have for a long time, like health care should be... Not-for-profit. Conflict of interests, it does not pay to make you well or heal you, But that's another story....
 
I've never understood the disconnect people have about weed,alcohol and prohibition and how prohibition does not work....and how prohibition actually exacerbates the crime situation. You have to be a complete idiot not to be able to connect the dots between alcohol/prohibition and weed/prohibition.
 
genetk44 said:
I've never understood the disconnect people have about weed,alcohol and prohibition and how prohibition does not work....and how prohibition actually exacerbates the crime situation. You have to be a complete idiot not to be able to connect the dots between alcohol/prohibition and weed/prohibition.
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Think of the trillions of dollars wasted on the "war on pot". It has been a complete failure and just lined the pockets of the police and the people who supply their "crime fighting tools" .
 
Geico266 said:
It has been a complete failure and just lined the pockets of the police and the people who supply their "crime fighting tools" .
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And the pharmaceutical industry who were big supporters of the war on drugs when the phrase was first coined.

Less competition donchaknow...
 
Geico266 said:
Think of the trillions of dollars wasted on the "war on pot". It has been a complete failure and just lined the pockets of the police and the people who supply their "crime fighting tools" .
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Oh I understand how the vested interests think about it....but before Reagans War on Drugs and before the DEA came into being, except for hippies,Mr and Mrs Joe Normal were all anti-weed....your average American has not, until very recently, been able to actually acknowledge that the whole prohibition thing about weed was a farce.....I mean you didn't have to be a mental giant to figure out that prohibition didn't work for alcohol,it only made crime worse, to see the exact same thing would happen with weed.....damn I figured it out in 1970 when I was 15. The whole situation just proves to me that most people are incredibly mentally lazy and can't be bothered to do any kind of critical thinking.
 
Pot makes you stupid, there is a reason they call it dope.
 
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