MountainDude
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watch it at 2x, did I miss the price?
ZD ... Zombie DroneIf they're drone engines, then I guess they only have to get as far as the crash.
Catch 22 all over again.Not much of a GA market in China. These clones are probably going into Chinese and Russian drones.
The Iranians have been getting their Rotax drone engines from our friends and loyal allies in Canada, then selling the drones to Russia so they can be shot at our other friends in Ukraine. It's a weird world....![]()
Catch 22 all over again.
$22,248.00 + shipping![]()
CKD ZS Engine
shop.ckd.aero
15k for the 100hp version. What's the 912 go for? 22k?
$22,248.00 + shipping
ROTAX 912 ULS Engine - 100hp - New ROTAX Engines - ROTAX Engines & Parts
<p>ASTM compliant. In comparison to the 80 HP version of the Rotax 912 series the 100 HP product line offers more power while keeping the weight. This engine series offers a time between overhauls of 2,000 hrs and the best power to weight ratiwww.leadingedgeairfoils.com
But, where does one buy parts for said CDK ZS engine?
From a CKD service center....that doesn't sound like it exists yet.$22,248.00 + shipping
ROTAX 912 ULS Engine - 100hp - New ROTAX Engines - ROTAX Engines & Parts
<p>ASTM compliant. In comparison to the 80 HP version of the Rotax 912 series the 100 HP product line offers more power while keeping the weight. This engine series offers a time between overhauls of 2,000 hrs and the best power to weight ratiwww.leadingedgeairfoils.com
But, where does one buy parts for said CDK ZS engine?
No parts, just swap it out with a new one$22,248.00 + shipping
ROTAX 912 ULS Engine - 100hp - New ROTAX Engines - ROTAX Engines & Parts
<p>ASTM compliant. In comparison to the 80 HP version of the Rotax 912 series the 100 HP product line offers more power while keeping the weight. This engine series offers a time between overhauls of 2,000 hrs and the best power to weight ratiwww.leadingedgeairfoils.com
But, where does one buy parts for said CDK ZS engine?
But, where does one buy parts for said CDK ZS engine?
Isn’t this engine only for experimental? And people puts all sorts of engines?Yup, and comparing this to their numbers should be all the evidence needed as to why it will never happen. Until someone tears one of these down and shows me it's within tolerances and equivalent metallurgy of an actual Rotax I will never trust one. Put a Chinese clone engine on a lawnmower? Sure, no problem, cheapest thing I can find. Aircraft I'm flying? Nooooope.
Isn’t this engine only for experimental? And people puts all sorts of engines?
If it ever goes to the certified market I think you’d be assured? Although even then with our low numbers any new engine will take a while to iron out..
they make everything else...but suddenly they can't copy a low hp motor? ok.No thanks.
Are you that unfamiliar with the patent system?I am extremely confident saying this would never meet the requirements for certified aircraft.
What does the patent system have to do with regulatory approval?Are you that unfamiliar with the patent system?
I’m no fan of the Chinese government system, but I rather suspect they are capable of making a good copy of the engine if this company’s QC is up to it. I suspect that will end up depending on how badly their management wants to gain a good reputation in the US market. I for one would be happy to see them meet certification standards.What does the patent system have to do with regulatory approval?
I can Xerox-engineer a copy of any product from an expired patent drawing, sure, but it still has to get UL/ANSI/IEC/IEEE/FAA/.... certification of the finished product, along with the manufacturing process and supply chain.
If their castings are porous, metal doesn't meet spec, or their machining isn't within tolerance, they will not get certified (I hope).
As a card-carrying American manufacturing executive, I whole-heartedly disagree. We need a middle class if we are to maintain a successful economy that supports everyone in the nation, and manufacturing capital equipment here in the US supports that middle class.I’m no fan of the Chinese government system, but I rather suspect they are capable of making a good copy of the engine if this company’s QC is up to it. I suspect that will end up depending on how badly their management wants to gain a good reputation in the US market. I for one would be happy to see them meet certification standards.
As a card-carrying American manufacturing executive, I whole-heartedly disagree. We need a middle class if we are to maintain a successful economy that supports everyone in the nation, and manufacturing capital equipment here in the US supports that middle class.
This is going to sound harsh, but cheerleading for off-shore "inexpensive" luxury items manufactured by slave-wage labor is, IMO, self-centered and short-sighted. Those of us who can afford luxuries like airplanes have a responsibility to pay a fair price that supports the people who build them for us.
"Fair" is BS that has no place in economic and financial metrics. Supporting an economic competitor, however, has a real impact on our entire nation and everyone in it.Championing the middle class and a fairer economy? Careful buddy, I argued the same thing in a thread about how out of reach these luxuries are to regular Americans even as CEOs can afford this more easily than ever. I got flamed for being an anti-capitalist.
In fact, pretty sure you were one of the guys piling on…
Oh, don’t go there. That just makes you look presumptive.As a card-carrying American manufacturing executive, I whole-heartedly disagree. We need a middle class if we are to maintain a successful economy that supports everyone in the nation, and manufacturing capital equipment here in the US supports that middle class.
This is going to sound harsh, but cheerleading for off-shore "inexpensive" luxury items manufactured by slave-wage labor is, IMO, self-centered and short-sighted. Those of us who can afford luxuries like airplanes have a responsibility to pay a fair price that supports the people who build them for us.
LOL, my friend, you are getting pi$$sy about someone else's paycheck. The only difference between us is that I am pi$$y at the U.S. CEO's who made those decisions to off-shore those jobs and then increased their own average pay over 350x in the past 40 years. You are pi$$y at the people in those countries doing the work for a fraction of the pay a U.S. worker would get."Fair" is BS that has no place in economic and financial metrics. Supporting an economic competitor, however, has a real impact on our entire nation and everyone in it.
Getting pi$$y about someone else's paycheck is in the same vein as trying to buy the cheapest possible product, ignoring the effect it has on our community and nation. In effect, it's more of the same sort of selfish nonsense that you got flamed for in the other thread.
No, I'm fine with competition, as long as it's a level playing field. Have a look at Janet Yellen's recent comments re: China dumping manufactured products.your “fair price” comment really sounds like you don’t like competition for price. We badly need to fix things in this country so we CAN compete on price.
FYI: its more than just if the "company’s QC is up to it." The Chinese CAAC has historically been unable to meet international aviation standards. Chinese aircraft OEMs have gone as far to incorporate as many "western" aviation components in their designs as possible to win such international approvals to no avail. Their most recent attempt at bi-lateral international certification is with the Comac C919 airliner. The EASA has accepted their application as before but time will tell if this attempt ends up as the others. Denied. For some reason they prefer to follow their path vs the established path.I suspect that will end up depending on how badly their management wants to gain a good reputation in the US market.
This, precisely.Country of origin info is mandatory on products sold in the US for a reason. If you and others buy it anyway, it is you who will eventually pay the price for funding bad behavior.
Even I could certainly fly that thing to the scene of the accident...If they're drone engines, then I guess they only have to get as far as the crash.