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I'll bet it's easier to get narcotics than liquor when you're in lockup.
Nope.Did he just kiss his pension goodbye?
Delta's pilot pension plan was terminated in bankruptcy and handed over to the PBGC 17 years ago. Whatever benefits he had vested by that time, up to the PBGC limits, will continue to be available.Did he just kiss his pension goodbye?
You mean other than his breath reeked of alcohol?so I doubt he had any outward signs.
LMAOWaiting for the anonymous posting in medical topics; "277 days sober, can I get a class one?"
.04"How many hoops does a guy need to jump through! I was only a .4! That's legal in the US! I just didn't know that other countries were more strict!"
I was responding to a comment that implied he had broken his sobriety.He’s been in jail for 10 months, so what does 277 days dry prove? That he isn’t smart enough to smuggle booze into jail?
It was a joke, but the FAA limit is .04.04
Legal to do what??
Drive?
Or fly an airplane?
There must be a con like me in every prison. I'm a guy who can get it for you. Cigarettes, a bag of reefer if that's your thing, a bottle of Jagermeister to celebrate your kid's high school graduation. Just about anything within reason. I'm a regular Sears and Roebuck.I'll bet it's easier to get narcotics than liquor when you're in lockup.
Average male metabolizes .02 per hour, so 8 hours prior would put him at .20% BAC.if you assume that he waited the eight hours and still blew that, he was likely "faced" as we used to say.
If you're 63 years old and have children living with you, that might be punishment enough ...Well I'm glad he isn't going to be living in a cardboard box, feeding his kids catfood,
I don't think he's been in jail for 10 months. He was just sentenced to 10 months in jail.He’s been in jail for 10 months, so what does 277 days dry prove? That he isn’t smart enough to smuggle booze into jail?
Maybe the FAA is too lenient on alcoholics.From the article
Guess that HIMS program ain’t working out for him. At 63, what a stupid way to finish.
Most people think that being below the threshold is save haven for DUI as well. It's not, it's just the prima facie limit. You can be convicted at less.Most people know that .04 is a violation, but what many people don’t realize is that under FAA Part 120, anyone flying under 135 or 121 is going to get sent home for anything between .02 and .04 and then have required return to work testing if they manage to stay employed.
I dunno. When I lived in Europe, Jaeger girls in skimpy costumes would prowl the bars with trays of shots in test tubes. They could be VERY persuasive.There should be certificate action just for drinking Jager…
You have to worry about anything that has to be cooled down to the point where you can't taste it to be palatable. It's right up there with the 28 degree Bud Light fridges some bars used to have.I won't comment on the pilot, but I will on Jaeger.
1. "This vodka is horrible! It tastes like kerosene."
2. "Let's add sugar, and some coloring, and a bunch of spices!"
3. "It's still terrible. Ok, let's add girls with skirts to sell it to sad people."
Delta pilots have not had pensions since 2005.Did he just kiss his pension goodbye?
because the UK has been gunning for us flight crews for years. leaving the UK in a US aircrew uniform is not a fun process.Right, right, right. But they aren’t testing everyone, so why him? He’s presumably tolerant, so I doubt he had any outward signs.
If you go on a bender on the layover, eight hours may not be enough. You'll still be over 0.04 after 8 hours if you start at 0.16.Get your **** together. Don’t bust the 8 hr rule, definitely don’t show up drunk. In other words, act like an adult. If you can’t, get help.
Never really understood the alcohol related incidents in aviation. One of our competitors balled up a helicopter under the influence awhile back. Makes no sense.
Yeah, addiction is a terrible thing. I read Mathew Perry’s autobiography a couple months ago. Really good read. He talks about the difference between an addict and one who drinks socially. He used to go out with friends (no pun) and they would have a few and call it a night. For him, he was just getting started. He would drink the entire night and then show up to work (Friends) the next day with a hangover. Said there was only a couple of years on the show he was actually sober.I've never understood it either. I'm willing to accept that some people get caught up in the moment and go too big the night before: it's a huge mistake, but just that - a mistake. Thing is, at a major airline there's absolutely no penalty for calling in sick. So it seems to me that someone needs to cross two independent gates of stupidity to get to a flight deck while over the limit. You've gotta be dumb enough to go big on a short timeline the night before, then be too dumb the next morning to recognize that you messed up, and follow it with an insistence that "I'm fine" while being fully aware that a phone call to scheduling would pull you off the trip and deadhead you home with no questions asked.
So I come to the conclusion that these folks have problems with alcohol that go beyond what someone like you and I can understand. Most of us are smart enough to not throw away a multi-million dollar career by getting stupid on an overnight, and any international pilot knows that Edinburgh is one of the most dangerous places in the world to push-to-test when it comes to this stuff. I hope this guy gets the help he needs, but damn - I'm sorry if I'm not *that* sympathetic about it.
I thought it was 24 hours for airline pilots?If you go on a bender on the layover, eight hours may not be enough. You'll still be over 0.04 after 8 hours if you start at 0.16.
The FAA rule is the same for all pilots. Many (most?) US airlines require 12 hours. Scotland has its own rules. US pilots departing Scotland have to comply with all three.I thought it was 24 hours for airline pilots?
It’s 8 hours at Delta. Personally, I like 12 but if I’m going to drink inside 12, I’ll switch to beer. If you’re pounding shots, even if you stop at 8, there’s probably a good chance you won’t be good.I thought it was 24 hours for airline pilots?
Judging by the crews walking around the flight room, we'd be cancelling 3/4 of all our flights if that happened.Maybe the airlines should institute a formation run, followed by showers and breakfast, for aircrew departing Scotland?
Judging by the crews walking around the flight room, we'd be cancelling 3/4 of all our flights if that happened.