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  1. Daleandee

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    From the Article:

    http://stylemagazine.com/news/2022/nov/15/tsa-conduct-additional-training-after-passenger-al/
     
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    Must’ve been intermission time at Security Theater.
     
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    Didn't this happen once before and wasn't that why tsa was created? I was in 6th grade so correct me if I'm wrong
     
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  6. Daleandee

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    I recall them making me shoeless in Atlanta ...:dunno:
     
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    I was in HNL KCM behind a full Delta crew that were all "randomed". Perhaps they might consider applying that scrutiny to unverified passengers, rather than badged and vetted airline employees.
     
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    So, what happened to him after he threatened passengers in flight with a box cutter? The article doesn't say how severe his bone fractures were...
     
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    Having the government run security at airports is grossly anti-liberty. The airports or carriers should run their own security so each customer can choose how much or what quality of security they wish to pay for.
     
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    TSA was created because of 9/11 and yes box cutters were used on 9/11 to take over the airplanes. However at that time anything with a blade less than 4 inches was legal to bring onto an airplane so the Security Screeners didn't do anything wrong.
     
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    Actually, in that case the box cutters were placed on the planes by cleared cleaning crew personnel.
     
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    Pre-TSA you had contractors running the security. A friend was in line when the screener decided to due a bag search. On a uniformed airline captain. The captain asked if the screener was looking for anything in particular based on the X-ray, and maybe they could tell them where to look. The screener looked up, and very seriously stated, "I am looking for anything that could allow you to gain control of the airplane." Hmm, isn't the Captain in control of the airplane always?????
     
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    Yeah…TSA are the people who make kids drink pond water and try to confiscate Medals of Honor.
    (Full disclosure…I only know of one of each event.)
     
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    Ummmm….so…screening machines and inspections at each and every gate, since a carrier wouldn’t know which airline a passenger arrived on or what they got in the un-screened terminal area?

    No thanks
     
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    On 9/11 we discovered that unsecured airplanes pose a risk to people not on the airplane, so it's a moot point anyway.

    Not to defend how TSA is ran though. We've all had horrible experiences with them.
     
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    No, we discovered that secure airplanes pose a risk to people not on the airplane.
     
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    We’d be more accepting were it not for the fact that every other year the GSA runs penetration tests and tries to sneak weapons past various TSA checkpoints. Time and again the TSA fails to detect about 97% in these tests.
     
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    They saved everyone from my dangerous Texas-shaped cast iron pan, though! It never crossed my mind that cast iron had to be in checked baggage only. Thankfully, the first checked bag was free. :cool:
     
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    I always have their website ready when carrying something slightly unusual.

    Turns out cast iron has been added to the explicitly banned item list (?!?) but in general, most of the front line folks haven’t seen to read or understand their own manual.

    https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/pots-and-pans
     
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    As the former boyfriend of a real Carolina Redneck woman I know how dangerous a cast iron frying pan can be in the hands of an angry woman! :eek:
     
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    The Texas State surplus store is in Austin and they sell all the stuff collected by TSA across the state. Victorinox tiny pocket knives go for $1 with a logo and $2 without. Corkscrews are 10 cents each, they’re so plentiful! I got a Makita drill for $5. Wrenches, pliers, kitchen knives- it’s all there. And, for a while, lots of snow globes - over 3 1/2 oz
     
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    My wife’s great-grandmother, a tiny Polish woman, was known to wield a 10-inch cast iron skillet pretty handily.
     
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    I wasn't offering you anything, I was asking for my liberty back. To which you respond, "No thanks". In other words you have me forced to do just what you want, and you refuse to allow that to change.
     
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    Freedom isn’t free
     
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    What did that “liberty” look like pre-9/11?
     
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    Well, I could bring my pocketknife that I carry everywhere else onto the plane, I didn't have to remove my shoes and belt, didn't have to get to the airport two hours before boarding, I didn't have to throw away my water bottle only to buy a new overpriced one after going through security...
     
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    And how would having airlines do the screening change that?
     
  30. jayhawk74

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    It's not just pre-TSA contractors there are TSA agents still doing it.
    The day after Richard Reid tried blowing up an airliner I had a TSA agent who wanted to confiscate my toothpaste and mouthwash. This was while I was a Southwest captain in uniform with my FFDO weapon. His reasoning was that I might have hidden ingredients in them to make a bomb to take over the airplane but that I was authorized to have the loaded pistol so that was okay.
     
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    I've told the story before. Went to Tx (DFW) with the bride via commercial. Was gifted with a frying pan as a belated wedding present. On the return, passed through Delta security with it in my carry-on, no problem. Flight cancelled, rebooked on American. They rejected it at security, but when I explained it was a wedding gift and Delta had allowed it, the nice TSA folks said "Ok, but just this once." This was all post-911.

    Yowza.
     
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    On my last international flight (JFK-AMS) my bag was kicked off the line for hand screening. They were looking for a foil cutter. Turns out they had never seen a corkscrew without a foil cutter!

    About 15 minutes of futile searching later, I was released. I did make the flight but only because I always leave plenty of time… -Skip
     
  33. Llewtrah381

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    We didn’t need to wear clothes in public, drive on the right side, could poop where we wanted, and a host of other “lost liberties”.

    No wait…none of those “liberties” existed before 9/11. “Liberties” have been “lost” literally since the dawn of civilization. A civilization is recognizing there’s something bigger than just me that I fit into. Personally, I like it better than some Mad Max fantasy. But I’m not trying to personally push it on anyone…

    Sadly, the TSA stuff is needed to protect the civilized from the uncivilized.

    This, of course, is a response to EW.
     
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    I'm uncertain as to whether this is satire or serious, but it is worth noting that private security screeners (the norm in other countries) are generally more efficient and less costly than TSA screeners, but the TSA (who oversee the screening regardless of whether the airport uses private screeners or not) makes it difficult for airport sponsors to adopt private screening. Not entirely surprising, inasmuch as the first mission of a government bureaucracy is to preserve and expand itself (and I am not at all joking on that point, much as I wish it were thus) - this is Rule One.

    Other, historical, note: DFW Airport's original design was crafted to minimize the length of walking for airport users, allowing them to drop off or park near the gate for their particular flight - but highjacking started occurring after the design was set (and teh airport partially constructed), so 3 of the 4 terminals had the inconvenient and delay-prone centralized screening checkpoints we all became accustomed to enduring. But, Braniff International Airways (the only airline that had its own terminal at DFW in those days) set up as-you-board screening at each gate, and it worked great. Of course, this was before the days of the X-Ray bag screening and Nude-O-Scope, but it is historically interesting, if for no other reason than it allows me to bring up Braniff International Airways.

    As for the ludicrous, disruptive and costly measures that the TSA has taken at non-air carrier airports across the land - I haven't the words. But, note, Rule One applies. The good news is, the TSA has mandated measures that have served to make local GA airports inaccessible to the general public, and more costly for airport sponsors and users.

    Oh, wait - that isn't good news, is it?
     
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    And you can carry a pocket knife and don’t have to remove your shoes, and all those other pre-9/11 liberties exist there? I’m guessing not, just like kids can’t carry pocket knives to school like I did, or keep rifles in their cars in the school parking lot like I did.

    (In response to @Dana ’s claim, not your post.)
     
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    people continue to tolerate "security measures" thinking they actually provide security. And if you complain about them, well,....
     
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    75% of the costs associated with them have to be paid by us the taxpayer and not just the consumer of the services (your ticket fees cover about 25%) - https://www.tsa.gov/for-industry/security-fees. That cost doesn't include the birth to death costs of the employees such as pension and medical and such and it will continue to grow.

    At the same time, every single audit over their 21 year history has shown them to be incompetent, unaccountable and not improving. Moving toward a bunch of private contractors that can be given standards and held to them or face financial consequences is the right answer.

    There are roles that are uniquely government and between my military and and post military career I've worked with government and there are also things they just suck at and should be outsourced. The operational side of TSA is one of those. TSA should be a coordination agency is all.


     
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    I was only replying about liberties lost since 9/11, not private vs. TSA screening.