Stella_Caeli
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Sebastian
Why a higher minimum without stepdown fix in this approach?
Hello,
http://www.belgocontrol.be/eaip/eAIP_Main/graphics/Ad/Ebbr/EBBR_IAC10_v01.pdf
This VOR approach is what we used to call a "VOR/DME approach", however according to the new regulations published in PANS-OPS, it's now named a "VOR approach" with the note "DME required". In any case, this chart is designed according to ICAO regulations, not FAA.
I'm wondering what the reason is for the minimum without stepdown fix (880') in this VOR approach?
How in the world could I *not* identify D6.0 ?
1) DME is required for this approach. If I do not have operable DME, or if the DME would be U/S, I wouldn't be flying the approach in the first place. Except if the notion "DME required" would not apply to the stepdown fix, but couldn't find any such provision in the regulations.
2) It's also not aiming towards "dive and drive" pilots, since it says "do not descend below profile view"...
If I would fly the procedure now, I would continuously descend from 2000' to target altitude 880', and after crossing D6.0 DME (where my altitude would be 1150') I would change the target altitude to 640', since this seems to be the correct option. But again, I don't see the point of doing this, since I will make sure to never reach 880' before or at D6.0 BUB.
Also, this is the first procedure where I notice that it is actually allowed to descend *below* the altitude associated with the stepdown fix, even if you didn't identify the fix. Maybe this is related with my question?
Thank you,
Kind regards,
Sebastian
Hello,
http://www.belgocontrol.be/eaip/eAIP_Main/graphics/Ad/Ebbr/EBBR_IAC10_v01.pdf
This VOR approach is what we used to call a "VOR/DME approach", however according to the new regulations published in PANS-OPS, it's now named a "VOR approach" with the note "DME required". In any case, this chart is designed according to ICAO regulations, not FAA.
I'm wondering what the reason is for the minimum without stepdown fix (880') in this VOR approach?
How in the world could I *not* identify D6.0 ?
1) DME is required for this approach. If I do not have operable DME, or if the DME would be U/S, I wouldn't be flying the approach in the first place. Except if the notion "DME required" would not apply to the stepdown fix, but couldn't find any such provision in the regulations.
2) It's also not aiming towards "dive and drive" pilots, since it says "do not descend below profile view"...
If I would fly the procedure now, I would continuously descend from 2000' to target altitude 880', and after crossing D6.0 DME (where my altitude would be 1150') I would change the target altitude to 640', since this seems to be the correct option. But again, I don't see the point of doing this, since I will make sure to never reach 880' before or at D6.0 BUB.
Also, this is the first procedure where I notice that it is actually allowed to descend *below* the altitude associated with the stepdown fix, even if you didn't identify the fix. Maybe this is related with my question?
Thank you,
Kind regards,
Sebastian
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