I had dinner with a United captain a couple weeks ago who said he's been a captain 18 years on the equipment he's on now, it's not the big stuff, it's not international or fancy in any way... he's the BOTTOM line holder or dang close to it here in DEN.:. "But I get to DRIVE TO WORK... and live in Denver!" ... he said multiple times that evening. He hates commuting with a passion. Another guy at that dinner said he's thinking he doesn't care anymore and may bid somewhere else. They had a heated and funny discussion that went something like... "Don't do it man. You won't be back here for five years if you do!" "But I could get weekends off, and wife and kids would like that..." "And spend all of both days commuting anyway..." This banter went on for hours. Fun to listen to. The commuting discussion all ended when the somehwhat junior guy flying 767s for a cargo outfit showed up late after getting in from commuting. He'd been "enjoying" a little too much of the Middle East lately he said. The other guys knew not to rub it in. They all got a little kick out of me talking about students probably trying to kill me starting this year. One joked, "You get really fast at saving your own butt when you're teaching. You fix it and the student didn't even realize they were about to kill you both. My airplane... Your airplane!" LOL. Fun folks. Met them all through the wife's singing habit. The wives were all engrossed in a completely different conversation across the room. I poked my nose into that one for a couple of minutes and then backed away slowly back over to the airplane talk. LOL.