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Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by RyanB, Apr 25, 2022.
Which is a shame. In the 90s, I tend to think they were the most fun to drive of the Japanese makes.
But. 6MT here . Yes, Alpha platform is awesome and I would buy current CT4-VBlackbird($$$), but that Gen 3 has no MT(CTSV) and Cue... I'll keep mine for a while.
Original Altimas were great cars. I lobbied my parents to get one at the time... They ended up with that jelly-bean dreadful Camry
BMW - Buick Motor Works
After buying a couple Grand Marquis and driving them everyday on the pothole crap roads around here I've decided I'll never own a "sporty" daily driver ever.
But then you could swerve to avoid the potholes instead of hitting them!
Not in this state, its swerve to hit the smaller hole. I swear there's a conspiracy to sell blood pressure medication, on the way to and from work you get beat to death in your car, on top of all the road rage and work stress.
This is very unfortunate. I owned BMWs all my life until 2017 and handling is one thing I can't stand on most makes/models. Always loved how my BMWs handled ('85 325e, '97 318iS, '06 525i).
I've never driven any of the older ones. Most of the ones I've driven have been 2017+ models as rentals (X3/X5/328i). I really didn't understand what the fuss was about, as the interiors weren't especially nice and fairly sparse on features compared to more generic brands. Certainly didn't make me want to run out and buy one.
Yep, and their trucks are even worse imho. They have an uncomfortable ride to them and they’re awful on fuel.
I've had 4-cyl Mustangs and Camaros as rentals, too, and they're not bad. But for a daily driver I picked a 6-cyl Challenger. It's roomier and more comfortable, it has more low end torque than the 4-bangers, good MPG, and I'm very happy with the handling and overall performance.
Ryan, another data point for you to consider: I have never in my life seen an ugly woman step out of a Porsche 911 variant.
I've driven 6-cyl Challengers as well. They are roomier and have more torque, but I'm not a fan of the visibility. Not bad cars, though, and definitely love the looks.
Yeah, visibility out the back is pretty poor. I thought the Camaro had poor visibility, too.
I considered a hemi Challenger, but it just didn't make sense for my I-4 commute. Something like a Hellcat would be a fantastic weekend, toy, though.
Newer BMWs really are not that good. As far as I’m concerned, the peak BMWs were e36,e46, e39(had M5 previously ). Today you have to go to M++++ variant to get good feel but then it will not really be a good daily and you might as well get a Porsche. It’ll cost as much anyway
Yeah, I'd exempt most of the M-series from the discussion, but those are priced more like supercars these days, so they have to have performance to back it up. Although their recent obsession with making the kidney grill even most massive on the front of their vehicles is a terrible design decision. That, and the new 7-series now looks like a knockoff Bentley.
To be honest, most regular M products from BMW are not even that great anymore. Some aren't even really all that M to begin with. You have to go to Competition or CS to get something special
BTW, I think CTS VSport(and current CT5V) is great balance between outright performance of V(Blackwing) and more pedestrian versions. Naming confusion notwithstanding. I wish it could be had in MT, I'd take it even with CUE
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Did you get rid of the Camaro you picked me and @Salty up in?
Lot's of great suggestions coming out. Personally as attractive as used BMW's are price wise they should be avoided for obvious reasons. If we are talking latest generation cars I would skip the SI since it has no heated seat option in the US but would consider the new Integra. I had a rental V6 Camaro for a few weeks. I really enjoyed the car and thought the V6 sounded great and was a lot of fun as you could really hammer on it without fear. The reality is you are getting a very compromised car as far as a daily driver without the real perk of it being the V8. The BRZ and FRS are in the same boat in my opinion. Way too compromised as a daily driver to be in serious consideration at their price point.
I think so, too. I also wasn't willing to cough up $70K for a used V3 CTS-V when I could get most of the performance for half the cost with the VSport, lol. The $95K+ for the current CT5-Blackwing is a tough pill to swallow, even if it is a Corvette Z06 sedan complete with 7-speed manual.
I agree. It's a great car. Perhaps the best sports sedan ever. But that's a lot of money. Unfortunately, these cars did not translate to any success for Cadillac. Bad timing, too much image loss. They will be the peak of ICE fast Cadies.
That was a Challenger, not a Camaro.
Oh… why was I thinking Camaro? Doh! My bad.
Between that and the Blues Brother thing, you're really in the dog house.
Volo town ain't much, but the museum is surprisingly large and even has quite a few classic cars for sale. I have a soft spot for the Plymouth Road Runner and they had a few examples on offer back in the day. Unfortunately, I am not nearly as mechanically inclined as the car would likely require.
Ummmmmm. I'm speechless.
I'd really hate to be car buying right now. Market seems ridiculous out there.
Hard to recommend anything without knowing the mission and the sort of ladies you're trying to impress. I don't think you'll like the impreza OR the crosstrek. BRZ, WRX make sense to me. If you're on the used side of the house, try the Legacy 3.6R as a larger car with some oomph and nice handling, they made them up until 2019 or so.
I like going to CarMax and just trying every damned thing on the lot. I find some surprising choices I'd have never considered before that way. It's how we ended up getting a BMW i3. Twice.
The 3.6r legacy and outback is a good vehicle, but mpg will be closer to 20 than 30. If going that route I would get 2014 or older as they went to a CVT in 2015 and later models.
Oh, right, good point. My 3.6 is pretty hard on gas. 18-25 wins no efficiency awards
I go on Sundays when they’re closed in this state but leave all the vehicles unlocked. Some CarMax lots seem to have one flavor of what everyone bought but nobody wanted, others seem to be rental fleet/lease turn ins, then a very few others tend to have really good variety and selection. Don’t know why that is other than they’re reflective of what moves in the local market.
I have one, well SUV actually, on frontier frame. I like it! It drives like a truck. Independent front suspension, solid rear axle, part time 4wd. Drives a lot better than the 4runner I test drove, that road like a sofa to m. Fuel economy isn't great, I get about 16, but it's a 4000+ lb with 265 hp V6 and a 5 speed auto, and it's not aerodynamic in any respect.
I was just at Volo a few months ago. They re-did it. Its way larger than you would think, the military sections were pretty cool. I think almost all the cars there are for sale, but big bucks. Good thing is, they have the price right on the car, so you dont have to ask. I wished I bought a 442 convertible I saw there a few years ago, seems like the price has easily tripled now.
Yikes, my V8 powered 4.6L dinosaur Grand Marquis (2004 & 2005) get that gas mileage.
What's really mind blowing to me is the little turbo 2.0s aren't doing much better (21-27)
<3 the Panther cars. Nothing on the market really replaces them these days.
Lol my 8K+lbs diesel Excursion gets about 16mpg around town, too. Nissan probably needs to up its game on the small truck/SUV efficiency. Even the Titan is a pig on fuel.
Last week I test drove a 2022 GMC 1/2 ton with the 6 cyl Duramax, 4WD. It got 28 MPG on the 75 mile test drive. Pretty hard test drive, about half in town and half interstate. I did not baby it.
A friend of mine bought it.
If he let's you use it would he be a friend with benefits?
My dad (rarely ever buys used cars) thought I was nuts buying an 18 year old Grand Marquis for $2500, then he drove it an hour and changed his mind pretty quick. (Dad bought a band new VW Jetta diesel ?2009sh? before the dieslegate thing, loaded with everything its got maybe 45k miles on it, instead of driving it he was driving the farm truck everywhere because I had his beater Chevy Lumina, which he wanted back after I got the Mercury.
One draw to the Panther platform is the 4R70W transmission. I worked at a factory that manufactured accumulator pistons for these way back, and they look simple enough that I'm pretty confident I could disassemble and repair one, and parts are super easy to find. I bought a used good looking one for $200, just haven't had the time to dive into it..
I originally wanted a V8 powered Chrysler 300C, Dodge Charger or Magnum, but the $ to value ratio didn't seem as good, a lot of those cars are trashed or twice as many miles for the same $. I'd buy another panther this year but I don't really have any place to put it.