Unmentionables...

[rpadula]

Bill Suffa,

What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on down there?

http://woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=E861C599-C3BD-4465-A3DF-A9AD672D6908


Airline Providing Mile-High Service
LAST UPDATE: 4/8/2005 8:01:36 AM
Posted By: Walker Robinson It is the Mile High Club, and now an area business is trying to cash-in on sex in the skies. The service is so controversial one nearby airport has already declined to have it.

San Antonio Air Tours is promoting sex on airplanes.

“When you say the Mile High Club, you don't have to explain it to anyone,” Phillip Carroll with San Antonio Air Tours said. On the plane for the tour, there is a mattress behind the pilot’s seat and a curtain separating you from the pilot.

“They can get a nice romantic flight, and they can do whatever they like in a private cabin,” Carroll said.

But not everyone likes the idea.

“It's not at all what we would have in mind and not what we want,” Castroville City Manager Jack Yates said. Officials at Castroville's municipal airport said they do not want Mile High Club activities originating from their strip.

“We're a family-oriented airport,” Yates said.

“We don't want to do business anywhere the business isn't wanted,” Carroll said.

Carroll said some flights originate out of San Antonio's Stinson Airfield, a city-owned airport.

“We do have some latitude at the airport itself, but once the plane takes off it's really an FAA issue,” city spokesman David Hebert said.

Pending guidance from government officials, the city has not yet expressed an opinion about Carroll's business, but a Stinson airport manager has removed brochures from a lobby area.

The FAA is expected to make a decision on this subject within the next few weeks.

The cost of a Mile High Club flight is $250 a couple.

 

[Ken Ibold]

Don't know if this is the same operator, but such a business operated out of Key West for a while. They even hawked videos on their web site, though presumably the customers who were featured in the videos knew that ahead of time.

This was the company that lost its airplane, a Cherokee Six, when the pilot ditched in the ocean. Two alleged elderly customers -- who were never shown to exist -- reportedly died in the ditching. The pilot said they tried to hijack him to Cuba, he maneuvered the airplane to throw them off balance, and crashed.

The NTSB bought the story (http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20010815X01688&key=1) but knowing South Florida as I do, I am skeptical at the very least.

 

[wsuffa]

Bill Suffa,

What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on down there?

This is not new news. There have been other operators around the country doing this before.

Castroville is a community west of San Antonio that was founded by Germans (You vill obey). It's about 20-25 minutes from downtown. More rural, but probably more conservative than San Antonio.

Stinson's probably tougher in terms of city permits, and I'd expect the FBO to object for a bunch of reason. Both FBOs at Stinson are closed on Sundays. The City of San Antonio has taken a pretty firm stand against SOB's (sexually oriented businesses), so I'd expect there to be trouble from that standpoint. And City Airport regs require multiple permits from the city.... I know the airport manager - not likely to happen (don't even get me started on the issue of politics down here - the more I learn about the city history and politics, the more annoyed I get - three city counsel folks resigned last year and were convicted of corruption for taking bribes of less than $500 each).

There are probably some other airports nearby that this operation could take place, but I think they'd have to do it low-key.

I will reserve all other comments on politics and religion....

 

[Dave Krall CFII]

Bill Suffa,

What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on down there?

:blowkiss: & :
I bet none of the sex police are pilots ?

Well... maybe the surveillance team.

 

[wsuffa]

:blowkiss: & :
I bet none of the sex police are pilots ?

Well... maybe the surveillance team.

Asked my CFI today if he was signing up to fly for the outfit. His response: "No, I've already done corporate flying...."

 

[AirBaker]

Asked my CFI today if he was signing up to fly for the outfit. His response: "No, I've already done corporate flying...."

Ahh.. the stories of corporate...

Now what they need to do is combine the mile high club with those Zero-G simulation planes... There is an experience you could sell!

 

[gismo]

The City of San Antonio has taken a pretty firm stand against SOB's (sexually oriented businesses), so I'd expect there to be trouble from that standpoint.

I'm always amazed at the politics of trying to regulate sexual relations between consenting adults. I wonder how San Antonio can live with the fact that such activties occur in motels?

 

[Earthroamer]

I'm always amazed at the politics of trying to regulate sexual relations between consenting adults. I wonder how San Antonio can live with the fact that such activties occur in motels?

Mattress in the back of an airplane! Wow, that's way too easy. They should try it in a Cheetah! Much higher difficulty level.

Brent

 

[sshekels]

I stopped at some small out of the way FBO at Lake Front Airport, in New Orleans last year, and while chatting up the local CFI I was idly reading the price list posted behind him: (not sure of exact prices)

C152 - $79.00
C172 - $99.00
100LL - $2.49
Mile High Club - $350.00

I just about fell over laughing! I asked him if it was for real, and he said "yes it is! Its one of our best sellers! Lots of folks take it!"

LOL - Only in New Orleans!

 

[JohnL]

I can't really say I'd want to partake of the "product", nor would I want to be the one flying the plane, but I don't see the issue in it being offered. Egads. People having sex. People DO that, y'know.

If the flights are being operated in an unsafe manner, that's a different story, but otherwise... ...WHO CARES!

 

[Toby]

... nor would I want to be the one flying the plane, ...

Especially with just a curtain as a divider.

 

[AdamZ]

I guess this is the first flying business where the passengers are hoping for turbulence.

 

[Everskyward]

I guess this is the first flying business where the passengers are hoping for turbulence.

...in order to disguise the fact of what they're doing from the pilots.

 

[AdamZ]

...in order to disguise the fact of what they're doing from the pilots.

Or perhaps to enhance the ....Ahem how shall we say inflight experience!

 

[Henning]

Bill Suffa,

What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on down there?

Shoot, that's nothing new, I was doing that with a morticians Cherokee 6 when I first got my Commercial ticket. It was either that or flying stiffs, I didn't care which.

 

[wsuffa]

Or perhaps to enhance the ....Ahem how shall we say inflight experience!

Oh, I think the pilot can tell. It can change the CG.....

 

[wsuffa]

I'm always amazed at the politics of trying to regulate sexual relations between consenting adults. I wonder how San Antonio can live with the fact that such activties occur in motels?

Now, Lance, don't get me started....

It IS an election year for Mayor and City Council.... need I say more????

 

[corjulo]

Any risk in taking Viagra above 6000 feet? Not that I'm asking for myself or anything :dance: :blowkiss:

 

[bbchien]

Yes there is, as a matter of fact. Sildenafil is a positive risk factor for Myocardial infarction, added to the lesser saturation of blood up there (75% of an atmosphere) and you have the stage set....

 

[Richard]

Ahh.. the stories of corporate...

Now what they need to do is combine the mile high club with those Zero-G simulation planes... There is an experience you could sell!

I have a long held fantasy of zero G sex but I won't go there....

 

[n741dm]

I have a long held fantasy of zero G sex but I won't go there....

Let's see... if I remember correctly, I have a long held fantasy about sex.

Hell to get old!

 

[AdamZ]

Shoot, that's nothing new, I was doing that with a morticians Cherokee 6 when I first got my Commercial ticket. It was either that or flying stiffs, I didn't care which.

You flew corpses for a Funeral Director? You have to tell us about that job?

 

[Henning]

You flew corpses for a Funeral Director? You have to tell us about that job?

What do you need to know? Dead people fly all the time, especially in the jewish community where there are strict laws on when the body must be interred. People don't always die where they want to be buried or have their funerals. Not a bad gig with a plane that can hold a coffin. When you use a 172 though, you haul them in a body bag strapped in the right seat. Ever heard of something called "Post Mortem Synaptic Release"? That's where a dead body jumps, it's also where a live body flying a dead body through night IMC with some lightning nearly craps his pants.

 

[AdamZ]

What do you need to know? Dead people fly all the time, especially in the jewish community where there are strict laws on when the body must be interred. People don't always die where they want to be buried or have their funerals. Not a bad gig with a plane that can hold a coffin. When you use a 172 though, you haul them in a body bag strapped in the right seat. Ever heard of something called "Post Mortem Synaptic Release"? That's where a dead body jumps, it's also where a live body flying a dead body through night IMC with some lightning nearly craps his pants.

Pick me up off the floor! That post is too funny. I am picturing you flying a body in a bag in a 172. Did that really happen OMG! I think I may have jumped out of the plane.
I know folks fly the deceased for burial all the time but I always assumed it was on a large commercial line like US Air or Fed Ex. What was your call sign Grave Digger 27 or Grim Reaper 22. That just cracks me up! ROLMAO

 

[wsuffa]

Air Dead Guy.

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Rumor now has it that someone has asked the FAA to come out and find some reason to ground/tag the plane.

Just what the rest of us need. An airworthiness inspector creeping around the airport.

 

[Henning]

Air Dead Guy.

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Rumor now has it that someone has asked the FAA to come out and find some reason to ground/tag the plane.

Just what the rest of us need. An airworthiness inspector creeping around the airport.

That kind of BS is why I'm glad I no longer reside in TX. I lived in a dry county 25 miles from the nearest beer (except for the Country Club which was a Private Club). Every time it came up, the Baptists quashed it before it could get on the ballot. Now that doesn't in and of itself bother me. What bothers me was those same self righteous people were the ones you see at County Line Liquors on friday night buying booze.

 

[Eamon]

Especially with just a curtain as a divider.

You mean especially with a curtain divider, right? :dance:

Eamon

 

[Henning]

Pick me up off the floor! That post is too funny. I am picturing you flying a body in a bag in a 172. Did that really happen OMG! I think I may have jumped out of the plane.
I know folks fly the deceased for burial all the time but I always assumed it was on a large commercial line like US Air or Fed Ex. What was your call sign Grave Digger 27 or Grim Reaper 22. That just cracks me up! ROLMAO

It was like a bad Stephen King Movie. It was not a good night to begin with, I don't much care for night IMC (unforecast, got a VFR scattered 7 mile vis briefing) in the mountains single engine to begin with, the when the unforecast t-storms started made things even worse. I was already cussing the trip when some lightning goes off relatively nearby and the body jumped in the bag... crap, I was ready for Night of the Living Dead wondering how you kill a corpse, and me with no silver bullets or wooden stakes. One more twitch out of the dead guy and I was ready to ditch the plane wherever. My luck I would have ditched in Crystal Lake with Jason.

 

[ausrere]

.... I was already cussing the trip when some lightning goes off relatively nearby and the body jumped in the bag... crap, I was ready for Night of the Living Dead wondering how you kill a corpse, and me with no silver bullets or wooden stakes. One more twitch out of the dead guy and I was ready to ditch the plane wherever. My luck I would have ditched in Crystal Lake with Jason.

This story reminds me of a drowning call I went on one time. Picture 6 cops standing around waiting on the ME to arrive, when the body moans and moves. 4 or 5 of the cops jump and draw down on the corpse before any of use know what's happening. All I could think about was how I was going to explain to my Sergeant how the drowning victim came to have a dozen bullet holes in him AFTER he drowned.

The story has nothing what-so-ever to do with flying except that it makes me think had I been in a plane when a body moved, I'd have ditched too! I can't imagine flying with a corpse as my passenger! Eeewwwww