the road to my (your?) own LearJet

Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by JGalt, Aug 10, 2014.

  1. Henning

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    Epic made the twin jet that Dayjets used right? If not, which one was that? That's the one I'm thinking of. Twin turbofan 6 seat with glass deck issue that you have to assess carefully at to what it's capable of and isn't as there are a few itterations.
     
  2. flyingcheesehead

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    No, that was Eclipse. And it is possible to get an Eclipse pretty cheap if you get one of the ones that is on the older avionics. There was a really good thread on another board (Beechtalk I think?) about it.
     
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    Ahh, sorry, my error, Eclipse. They seem to be a decent deal even with the upgrade avionics and apparently there are people flying them without RVSM getting climb throughs from the sounds of it with no great hassle.
     
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    Eclipse just layed off their whole crew. They delivered one production plane and folded up yesterday.

    Eclipse Blames Layoffs on Sluggish VLJ Sales
     
  5. Henning

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    That may make the existing ones even cheaper. The other decent low price option would be a Citation I or II SP with the Sierra conversion. For more money, longer legs, and (hopefully) reduced operating costs there is the Sino Swearingen SJ-30 with a pair of William's FJ-44s. Morgan Freeman has one.
     
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    That's sad about Eclipse.

    Mason Holland was a Cirrus owner who's effort to bring the company out of bankruptcy and provide a real VLJ product are to be lauded. I did not realize that they were now in such dire straits.

    Like I said, sad.
     
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    Real risky to buy a plane from a company that no longer exists, can get pretty expensive when things break.

    I would LOVE to see a VLJ around a million bucks. But it looks like the deep pocket companies are the only ones ready to lose money for a number of years making these things. Like Cirrus and Cessna.

    Even a good turbo prop is too expensive. Most of us looking for new who dont want to mortgage a house to fly solo pilot VLJ will have to wait till someone makes one a LOT more cost effectively and mission applicable.
     
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    The big risk with the Eclipse is that panel. That would scare me away because it's not as easy as dropping it off at the Avionics shop and putting in a bunch of Garmin stuff and picking it up a month later. Our intrepid Mr Galt wouldn't let such trivialities hold him back though, he has no fear.
     
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    Those Sierra conversions are tempting, especially for a 501, much bigger cabin than a CJ, fast, fuel efficient, single pilot:yes:...........................still a 35 year old jet.:no::no::D

     
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    How old is the Conquest? :popcorn::D
     
  12. Dead Stick

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    There has been at least one company that proposed to hang Williams engines on the Lear 25. The obstacle that they were never able to over come was when all was said and done, you could buy a Lear 35 for what the conversion would cost. It's pretty tough to overcome economic obsolescence. The King is dead, long live the King.
     
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    With the maintenance requirements of an early 500 series Citation. It's OK if you fly a lot, but these old airplanes normally don't fly that much is the hands of private owners. The costs really go up.
     
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    I know, I had a 551, we put 700 hours on it in 7 years, maybe 60 the last year, the fixed costs are the same 1 hour or 200 hours per year. :D
     
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    It's an 85 model, so it's almost new! :D:D
     
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    I don't.

    I used to, then I got my PPL, and realized just how boring flying a jet would be. Unless you allow for a crew as well, at which point, sure :yes:

    My dream has shifted to owning something like a Socata or Pilatus, but since I doubt I'd ever be able to afford one, I have settled on a Mirage as my aspirational goal :goofy:
     
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    If you want to impress the ladies you need a jet. Period. End of discussion.
     
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    Just to set the record straight, Eclipse did not shut down. They did, however, layoff a large number of employees. The press release the company issued said that the General Aviation market has not recovered as quickly as they had anticipated so they do not need to produce as many aircraft. They will continue to build aircraft and will continue to support and upgrade the existing fleet.

    Time will tell what happens down the road, but Henning is correct that you really need to understand the differences between the various versions before you jump into ownership.

    Abram Finkelstein
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    378 posts in ten days--John Galt is surely the most masterful troll I have ever seen, and I have been involved with computer conferencing since before the internet even existed (or at least was publicly available). Anyway, well done, JG! We are, all of us here, in the presence of greatness.

    Tim
     
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    Doesn't posting that much make you go blind, or causes hair to grow on the keyboard, or something like that?
     
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    Well, maybe you do.
     
  22. John Galt

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    There is nothing in your statement that I can find fault with. I hope to continue to be an inspiration and a role model for what can be done. Well let's face it not many of you will be able to follow me but it is always useful to have a goal to strive towards and being John Galt is a worthy one even if unobtainable.
     
  23. kmead

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    Just don't let some people on this board know that.
     
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    No one has made a "Bad Post" report. Apparently, folks are enjoying themselves. :D
     
  25. FastEddieB

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    Are you 100% sure on that?
     
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    I've got something else that impresses the ladies, no jet needed. :lol:
     
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    Well, Spike is on the MC, so he would know...
     
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    Pretty sure he's mistaken.

    Unless someone did it wrong.
     
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    Less talking and more smut otherwise I WILL shut this thread down. This is your final warning.

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    Now you're talking JG! Actually all you need for impressing ladies is a puppy! Women go ape **** over dogs especially cute wee lil pups. No car or jet works as well to get laid. Plus dogs are less expensive and man's best friend :)
     
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    I don't think JG will be happy with women, he's much more of a man's man, a man that does manly things in a manly way.
     
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    WITH OTHER MEN??? :yikes:
     
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    I wonder how much those boobs cost?
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    John Galt, when I pray, do you hear my prayers?
     
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    Depends, how long do you want to rent them for? :D
     
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    In my case the cost would be my marriage and 1/2 of my net worth. ;)
     
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    I can impress me (a lady jet pilot) all by myself thank you! ;)
     
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    You don't seem to want to address your inability to get a medical certificate John. Why is that ?
     
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    Because Trolls don't bleed red.


    You guys are slipping. I read throughout the whole thread and was SMH that it took 78 posts before it was even mentioned. And many more before taken seriously. I had him made in the OP.