The best NM range for a single engine aircraft.

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    Does anybody know what type of single engine piston aircraft has the best NM range? Also "Reasonably priced"? I know factors come into play like weather conditions, power...etc. Under perfect conditions.


    Thank you in advance for your input!
     
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    That's a pretty open-ended question, and what's "reasonably priced" to one person is not "reasonably priced" to the next. I don't think there's any real good answer without more specificity to the question.
     
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    Many candidate depending on the cruise speed you are willing to accept.

     
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    I'm pretty fond of the North American P-51 for it's mix of speed, long range, and firepower.
     
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    Sorry about that, Reasonably priced meant 100k and under.
     
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    I guess that rules out the P 51.
     
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    How many seats, how much speed? Lots available with 6-800 mile range, 8-1000 shrinks the pool considerably.;)
     
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    Navion Rangemaster. IO-470 or IO-520, 108 gallon standard fuel capacity; cavernous five-seat cabin.

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    You can find an older mooney with long range tanks.
     
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    Okay, I got it. I would like to go to Saint Petersburg Florida to Westchester County New York in under 8 hours. Myself, (Pilot) Co Pilot and two other people so a total of 4 passengers.

    Airport code PIE (Saint Petersburg FL)

    Airport code HPN (Westchester County NY)

    Distance 1040 Miles
     
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    I heard about those, how much room is in the first two seats?
     
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    Non-stop? It's 930 nm. Not many piston singles have that much range with IFR reserves. A Piper Malibu can probably do it. A Mooney TLS can probably make the trip, but not with four aboard (fuel/payload tradeoff problem). I can't think of anything else which will do that job. However, you're probably not going to find any of those under $100K in any decent condition.

    If you throw in a fuel stop, any number of high performance complex singles can make the trip in 8 hours from PIE to HPN. This would include the Bonanza 33/35/36, Piper PA32R Lance/Saratoga RG, and Cessna 182RG/210. You can find decent articles of those within your price range. Others which can do the job with one stop but not within your price range includes the Cirrus SR22, Mooney TLS, and Cessna 350/400.
     
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    I want to know what group of 4 people that can go 900nm nonstop without onboard bathroom facilities!

    kidding! (maybe not.)
     
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    RV-10, 6.5 hours tops.
     
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    My recommendation is to fly that trip at least once in whatever you select prior to purchase. It's a long hike with many potential complexities. I wouldn't sign up for repeated trips of that length in any piston single.
     
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    Advertised prices for RV-10's are running $139K-250K, and the lower end one is VFR only (not real useful for flying FL-NY).
     
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    Tango XR Advertised at 2100SM. I can attest that 1800NM is definitely doable. Only two seats though.

    http://www.teamtangoaircraft.com/site/our-aircraft/tango-xr/

    BTW... They also make a four seater (the Foxtrot) and advertise 1800SM.
     
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    Yes, what Wayne said. It is difficult to find a single 100LL burner that will do trips designed for kerosene, especially for under $100K
     
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    Yes, I definitely wanted to do a fuel stop. I fly as a passenger, (Regular Commercial) from Orlando to Seattle all the time without having to use the bathroom. I try to avoid it at all costs!!
     
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    Is it too dangerous to fly a single that long? Even in the summer?
     
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    Two Long EZs.
     
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    I don't think the point was that it is dangerous, but unpleasant. An 8 hour day in a piston plane is a long day. Especially for pasengers who may notbe that in to flying GA. You are also very likely going to be dealing with weather diversions and delays, which will turn your 8 hour flight into days.
     
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    I have never flown a P-51 but I have seen quite a few replicas in action. A classic warbird I don't mind watching in action. As for flying it? I never had an interest in taildraggers. Nothing wrong with them just not an interest of mine.

    Okay, Playaforeal? :rofl:
     
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    Certified or experimental?
    Certified no mods it's gonna be a Comanche with all 6 tanks. With mods Bonanza with Dolly Parton tip tanks and everything else or maybe there is a tanked up Mooney as well. Experimental holds a lot of possibilities, one of my favorites is one Lake built for the military which is a tanked up long range amphib.
     
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    What do you mean by TOO dangerous. It is too dangerous for me but, perhaps not for others.
     
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    Mooney M20J See the attachment. 1400 nm in 7.8 hours, on ninety gallons.
     

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    It's not too much of a problem for me. I can drive from Tampa FL to Key West in 7 hrs and 30 Mins only stopping for gas and ENJOY it. My wife might not though lol!!
     
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    If you're married to my wife, yes. Any trip of that length is problematic, simply due to the opportunity for exposure to varying weather patterns. I don't think dangerous is the most-descriptive term, but such trips are somewhat daunting, and can be very tiring and uncomfortable to all on board, especially those who like to pee in private.

     
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    I was going to tell my passengers to pee out of the window
     
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    I flew a 6 hour leg once, with my two kids in the back.

    When we landed...I wanted to kiss the ground. Never again!
     
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    Would it be too much trouble for you to do a fly-by so I can watch?

     
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    My T182T can get a max range of 970 NM with 45 minute reserve. But, to get that, it requires slowing down significantly (to 109KTAS) and using only 45% power at 10K ft. So, it may work with a tailwind, but not a headwind. Also, with full fuel, it is two people plus baggage or three people and no baggage. Four people, requires less fuel/less range. So, there is certainly more to consider than just max range.
     
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    New or used? I hope you meant used one.
    I suggest you go on typical website where they sell aircraft and look up many different examples. Your combination of desired long range and $100 k price tells me you really have to do some basic homework what is available and what realistic prices would be. You got a lot to learn, $100k is not something that is going to give you a reasonable aircraft, reasonably equipped and with no need of major upgrades for long range cruising.Unless you will be happy with something very, very basic that flies low and slow.
     
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    Nope, no special learned skills, just an iron azz. I do 13+ hr days, just figure traveling like that is typically solo, most people don't do well over 4-6.
     
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    Watched a guy try that in a car once. His pants were wet all the way home and the car smelled bad afterward. Idiot. He told the driver not to stop and that he'd "done this before".

    When the um... flow/splashback started, he started hollering at the driver to "pull over, pull over, PULL OVER!". Driver did, but it was too little, too late.
     
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    You are correct, I do have a lot to learn. My favorite site is www.aso.com they have a lot of airplanes there for sale. Unfortunately, they rarely show maximum nautical mile range for the aircraft because there are many weather and power factors when it comes to maximum nm range. I just wanted to have an idea on what aircraft would a person take for a trip like that.

    I don't mind new or used..
     
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    I TOTALLY understand, anything more than 30 mins and they will drive you crazy, (Are we there yet, I have to use the bathroom, what does this button do, (And goes to press it...lol).
     
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    It reminds me of that Jim Carrey movie, (I can't remember the name) when he got stopped by a cop while driving after peeing in a bottle. The cop thought he was drinking....:rofl: