TFR - What would you do...

Do I go Soaring with the TFR

  • Yes, I've always wanted to thermal with an F-16

    Votes: 19 61.3%
  • No

    Votes: 6 19.4%
  • What's a TFR????

    Votes: 6 19.4%

  • Total voters
    31
uh, have the towplane meet you in Juneau.
 
Well the Prez is coming to Milwaukee on Monday, and that brings with it the beloved 30NM outer ring TFR. The interesting thing is that the Hartford airport appears to be just outside (probably less than 1/2 a mile) of the outer ring.

http://www.runwayfinder.com/?x=-88.39831352233887&y=43.34484289551719&z=11&view=vfr

Question is do I go soaring that day....

WHEW - THAT'S CLOSE. I WOULD BE CAREFUL NOT TO STRAY TO THE SOUTH EAST. NOT ONE INCH. NOW, IS IT JUST ME, OR DOES THE FACT THAT THESE THINGS ARE TYPED IN ALL UPPERCASE CHARACTERS WITH ABSOLUTLY NO BREAKS BETWEEN WHAT SHOULD BE PARAGRAPHS JUST MAKE THEM HARDER TO READ? I MEAN, COME ON, IT'S 2010. WE DON'T USE TELETYPES ANYMORE. IS IT REALLY NECESSARY TO MAKE THINGS DIFFICULT? AND, COULDN'T THEY PUT THE INFORMATION YOU NEED (TIMES AND LOCATIONS) AT THE FREAKING BEGINING OF THE THING SO ONE COULD MAKE SENSE OF IT WITHOUT HAVING TO PLOW THROUGH THE - WE GONNA SHOOT YOU DOWN - BOILERPLATE GARBAGE FOR THE 100TH TIME? GIVEN ALL THE BOILER PLATE, CLEARLY THEY ARE NOT PAYING BY THE CHARACTER, SO WHY NOT PUT IN LITTLE THINGS LIKE THE WORDS "DEGREES" AND "MINUTES" INTO THE LOCATION (OR AT LEAST A DECIMAL POINT) - IS JUST STATING 425918N/0875343W WITHOUT INDICATING IF THE FORMAT IS DEGREES / DECIMAL DEGREES AND NOT DEGREES MINUTES DECIMAL MINUTES JUST A WAY TO GET SOMEONE TO SCREW UP AND GENERATE ANOTHER "BUST"? SOMETIMES I WONDER. FINALLY (GLAD TO SEE THAT WORD, EH?) IT'S A PAIN IN THE BUTT TO TYPE WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON, I KEEP HITTING THE SHIFT FOR WORDS LIKE "I" AND THEN I HAVE TO GO BACK AND FIX THE LOWER CASE WORDS.
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Do it. Maybe them intercepting a glider will help show how stupid these T-cluster-FRs are.
 
NOW, IS IT JUST ME, OR DOES THE FACT THAT THESE THINGS ARE TYPED IN ALL UPPERCASE CHARACTERS WITH ABSOLUTLY NO BREAKS BETWEEN WHAT SHOULD BE PARAGRAPHS JUST MAKE THEM HARDER TO READ?

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I agree. That has been a pet peeve of mine for years. The more important it is the harder they seem to make it to read. There is absolutely no reason for them not to just print it in a nice legible font in normal English.
 
WHAT'S A TFR?!?!?!?!
 
If the airport is outside the TFR zone, why not? Just stay outside it.
 
When the -16's instruct you to follow and start climbing, what do you do then if you don't have any excess energy or a thermal?
 
I did not find that TFR posted yet on tfr.faa.gov.
Do you have the actual center for the 30nm ring? Many are not centered on the airport, but on where he will be. That could move the TFR over to cover your airport.

In my experience, most uncontrolled airports within the 30nm ring will have a police presence on the airport. They get nervous if you even drive to the airport, open the hanger doors and wash the airplane. Heven forbid you should warm up the engine for an oil change.
 
Well it was there this morning. Dunno what happened to it.
 
It came up on my briefing for the flight to 6Y9, so it's still there.
!FDC 0/2887 ZAU PART 1 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS MILWAUKEE, WI,
SEPTEMBER 6, 2010 LOCAL. PURSUANT TO 49 USC 40103(B), THE FEDERAL
AVIATION ADMINISTRATION (FAA) CLASSIFIES THE AIRSPACE DEFINED IN THIS
NOTAM AS 'NATIONAL DEFENSE AIRSPACE'. PILOTS WHO DO NOT ADHERE TO
THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURES MAY BE INTERCEPTED, DETAINED AND INTERVIEWED
BY LAW ENFORCEMENT/SECURITY PERSONNEL. ANY OF THE FOLLOWING
ADDITIONAL ACTIONS MAY ALSO BE TAKEN AGAINST A PILOT WHO DOES NOT
COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OR ANY SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS OR
PROCEDURES ANNOUNCED IN THIS NOTAM:
A) THE FAA MAY TAKE ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, INCLUDING IMPOSING CIVIL
PENALTIES AND THE SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION OF AIRMEN CERTIFICATES;
OR
B) THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT MAY PURSUE CRIMINAL CHARGES,
INCLUDING CHARGES UNDER TITLE 49 OF THE UNITED STATES CODE,
SECTION 46307; OR
C) THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT MAY USE DEADLY FORCE AGAINST THE
AIRBORNE AIRCRAFT, IF IT IS DETERMINED THAT THE AIRCRAFT POSES AN
IMMINENT SECURITY THREAT.
PURSUANT TO TITLE 14, SECTION 91.141 OF THE CODE OF FEDERAL
REGULATIONS, AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED
WITHIN A 30 NMR OF 425918N/0875343W OR THE LJT141009.6 UP TO BUT
END PART 1 OF 4
!FDC 0/2887 ZAU PART 2 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS MILWAUKEE, WI,
NOT INCLUDING 18000 FT MSL
EFFECTIVE 1009061800 UTC (1300 LOCAL 09/06/10) UNTIL 1009062045 UTC
(1545 LOCAL 09/06/10).
WITHIN A 11 NMR OF 425918N/0875343W OR THE LJT141009.6 UP TO BUT
NOT INCLUDING 18000 FT MSL
EFFECTIVE 1009061800 UTC (1300 LOCAL 09/06/10) UNTIL 1009062045 UTC
(1545 LOCAL 09/06/10).
EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED BELOW AND/OR UNLESS AUTHORIZED
BY ATC IN CONSULTATION WITH THE AIR TRAFFIC
SECURITY COORDINATOR VIA THE DOMESTIC EVENTS
NETWORK (DEN):
A. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS WITHIN THE 11 NMR
AREA(S) LISTED ABOVE, KNOWN AS THE INNER CORE(S),
ARE PROHIBITED EXCEPT FOR: APPROVED LAW
ENFORCEMENT, MILITARY AIRCRAFT DIRECTLY SUPPORTING
THE UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE (USSS) AND THE
OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
APPROVED AIR AMBULANCE FLIGHTS, AND REGULARLY
SCHEDULED COMMERCIAL PASSENGER AND ALL-CARGO
CARRIERS OPERATING UNDER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING
END PART 2 OF 4
!FDC 0/2887 ZAU PART 3 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS MILWAUKEE, WI,
TSA-APPROVED STANDARD SECURITY
PROGRAMS/PROCEDURES: AIRCRAFT OPERATOR STANDARD
SECURITY PROGRAM (AOSSP), FULL ALL-CARGO AIRCRAFT
OPERATOR STANDARD SECURITY PROGRAM (FACAOSSP),
MODEL SECURITY PROGRAM (MSP), TWELVE FIVE STANDARD
SECURITY PROGRAM (TFSSP) ALL CARGO, OR ALL-CARGO
INTERNATIONAL SECURITY PROCEDURE (ACISP) AND ARE
ARRIVING INTO AND/OR DEPARTING FROM 14 CFR PART
139 AIRPORTS. ALL EMERGENCY/LIFE SAVING FLIGHT
(MEDICAL/LAW ENFORCEMENT/FIREFIGHTING) OPERATIONS
MUST COORDINATE WITH ATC PRIOR TO THEIR DEPARTURE
AT 414-489-2160 TO AVOID POTENTIAL DELAYS.
B. FOR OPERATIONS WITHIN THE AIRSPACE BETWEEN THE
11 NMR AND 30 NMR AREA(S) LISTED ABOVE, KNOWN AS
THE OUTER RING(S): ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATING WITHIN
THE OUTER RING(S) LISTED ABOVE ARE LIMITED TO
AIRCRAFT ARRIVING OR DEPARTING LOCAL AIRFIELDS,
AND WORKLOAD PERMITTING, ATC MAY AUTHORIZE TRANSIT
OPERATIONS. AIRCRAFT MAY NOT LOITER. ALL AIRCRAFT
MUST BE ON AN ACTIVE IFR OR VFR FLIGHT PLAN WITH A
END PART 3 OF 4
!FDC 0/2887 ZAU PART 4 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS MILWAUKEE, WI,
DISCRETE CODE ASSIGNED BY AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL
(ATC) FACILITY. AIRCRAFT MUST BE SQUAWKING THE
DISCRETE CODE PRIOR TO DEPARTURE AND AT ALL TIMES
WHILE IN THE TFR AND MUST REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO
COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC.
C. THE FOLLOWING OPERATIONS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED
WITHIN THIS TFR: FLIGHT TRAINING, PRACTICE
INSTRUMENT APPROACHES, AEROBATIC FLIGHT, GLIDER
OPERATIONS, SEAPLANE OPERATIONS, PARACHUTE
OPERATIONS, ULTRALIGHT, HANG GLIDING, BALLOON
OPERATIONS, AGRICULTURE/CROP DUSTING, ANIMAL
POPULATION CONTROL FLIGHT OPERATIONS, BANNER
TOWING OPERATIONS, SIGHTSEEING OPERATIONS,
MAINTENANCE TEST FLIGHTS, MODEL AIRCRAFT
OPERATIONS, MODEL ROCKETRY, AND UNMANNED AIRCRAFT
SYSTEMS (UAS).
D. FAA RECOMMENDS THAT ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATORS
CHECK NOTAMS FREQUENTLY FOR POSSIBLE CHANGES TO
THIS TFR PRIOR TO OPERATIONS WITHIN THIS REGION.
END PART 4 OF 4
 
Yes, I've always wanted to thermal with an F-16

Somehow I suspect the F-16 will have a different definition of "thermal" than yours... :D

1/2 mile is below the resolution of Approach's radar display. The wisdom around the DC area is to not touch your transponder until you're at least a mile outside the zone. You can easily be mistaken for being inside it - and then the burden of proof is on you to prove that you weren't. Good luck with that (you'll need ADS-B or an independent witness outside the aircraft.) I'd call FSS *and* approach control and ask them if they think your airport is inside or outside the TFR. (Calling FSS gets the answer on tape, calling approach tells you how the folks on the scope are going to call it.) If they give you the green light I'd make sure all my airborne operations were on the NW side of the airport (depart 29 or 36, arrive 11 or 18).
 
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If you had a glider with stealth technology, you wouldn't have to worry about these things...

YO!! Eff the man!!! :incazzato:
 
So much easier to read.....

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_2887.html

Area A Airspace Definition: Center: On the TIMMERMAN VOR/DME (LJT) 141 degree radial at 9.6 nautical miles. (Latitude: 42º59'18"N, Longitude: 87º53'43"W) Radius: 30 nautical miles Altitude: From the surface up to but not including 18000 feet MSL
Effective Date(s): From September 06, 2010 at 1800 UTC (September 06, 2010 at 1300 CDT) To September 06, 2010 at 2045 UTC (September 06, 2010 at 1545 CDT)

Area B Airspace Definition: Center: On the TIMMERMAN VOR/DME (LJT) 141 degree radial at 9.6 nautical miles. (Latitude: 42º59'18"N, Longitude: 87º53'43"W) Radius: 11 nautical miles Altitude: From the surface up to but not including 18000 feet MSL
Effective Date(s): From September 06, 2010 at 1800 UTC (September 06, 2010 at 1300 CDT) To September 06, 2010 at 2045 UTC (September 06, 2010 at 1545 CDT)
 
Wood glider? That'll make em work. Of course they can make you sorry for trying.
 
Well no worries. The Blipmaps for tomorrow look awful anyway...
 
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