Terrain

Discussion in 'Avionics and Upgrades' started by JamesA320, Jul 2, 2020.

  1. JamesA320

    JamesA320 Pre-Flight

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    having been out of the GA loop for far too long and missed out on a bunch of technological progress, what do you like to use/recommend avionics wise for terrain awareness?
     
  2. EugeneR

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    What airplane? There are so many options...

    IPad with ForeFlight or Garmin Pilot
    Panel mounted portable such as Aera 660
    Any panel GPS receiver, even 430W, although terrain resolution is not great. GTN-series is better. Or Avidyne IFD series.
    Any PFD/MFD - G500/600 (TXi or not), G3X, Dynon HDX, Aspen...

    I’m currently using iPad, my 430W and Aera 660, but considering upgrading to Dynon HDX.
     
  3. Bob Noel

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    kind of an aside: people don't look at a sectional anymore?
     
  4. EdFred

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    Crazy concept, but I use my eyes.
     
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    Because my iPAd will give me a sectional that's legal according to the FAA and will show me on it. Repeat after me, "situational awareness is good".
    I honestly think everyone does it. I suspect the OP was referring to strategic planning rather than obstacle avoidance.
     
  6. eman1200

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    Only when a certain someone is wearing them.
     
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    GRG55 Final Approach Gone West

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    Everybody does.

    It's just that for some eyes the colors on the tablet are mesmerizing. ;)
     
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    So the picture of me in the Brownsville speedo has been leaked.
     
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    Rumor has it the guys on GPoA are enjoying it....
     
  10. EdFred

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    Didn't know the geriatrics were into such stuff.
     
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    jsstevens Final Approach PoA Supporter

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    Well played sir!
     
  12. JamesA320

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    Thank you!

     
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    Nighttime, on a less than populated non full moon night.

     
  14. EdFred

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    Sectional and altimeter, actually, just altimeter, because I already know the terrain before I left the house.
     
  15. chemgeek

    chemgeek Pattern Altitude

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    Map? Paper or electronic will work.
     
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    I hear they are useful for fanning the iPad to keep it from overheating.
     
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    I pad with foreflight an my eyes.
     
  18. JamesA320

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    I was flying an airliner into Vegas one afternoon. I am intimately familiar with the terrain as I am based and live in Vegas. It was the one IFR day that year. We got vectored off our arrival. The controller was quite busy. We descending but I think the controller forgot that he had given us the descent AND a heading. Both my First Officer and I commented to each other that this heading and altitude assignment won’t work and so we told ATC. He apologized and put us back on the arrival. Now, now big deal. I am sure everyone has a much more chilling story. But we are lucky to have 2 pilots. And had terrain mode up on one ND (the other was displaying weather radar). And we are equipped with EGPWS. And we are both familiar with local atc procedures and the terrain. So the point is we had a lot of things going for us to help with our situational awareness.

    How about single pilot in unfamiliar territory/wx/emergency or even just regular ops? I like to have all of the tools available for situational awareness. In the likely event that I am not paired with EdFred, I am asking for recommendations. Yes, I always flew with a sectional 20 years ago when flying GA. I did not know if we made any technological progress since then. I thought the experts of POA could offer some insight. And some did. And I thank those who were thoughtful. And those with perfect vision... thanks for that, too.

    Maybe I should rephrase the question:

    If someone on this forum wanted to hitch a ride with me on my single engine piston airplane (ok one day I hope),
    what avionics would they like to see in the flight deck?
     
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  19. Bob Noel

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    I understand the concept of situational awareness, especially in a fast-moving aircraft. Yes SA is good, very good. (btw - before retiring, I worked future military ATC and avionics systems, which gave me some understanding of TAWS, ADS (various flavors), oceanic systems, etc for flight in civilian airspace worldwide)

    For a low, slow aircraft, I'd be ok with the (now old) standard 6-pack and a sectional. If you'd feel more comfortable with GPS, ok. I actually never installed GPS in my cherokee. It was slow enough that even I could stay ahead of it.

    More than that, it just depends on your wallet. Have at it. Multiple glass displays with weather (including wx radar), traffic advisories, moving map, HSI, etc etc.

    What type of aircraft and how deep is your wallet?
     
  20. JamesA320

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    Bob,

    A reply like yours is exactly why I joined this forum! Thanks for being thoughtful. Shame I have to point it out but anyway...

    Your right about low and slow. Well I guess low is not great for terrain lol.

    Looking for a Piper 6 seater or Cirrus or maybe a Mooney. Budget for plane, engine, and avionics would be max of $150k ish
     
  21. Hang 4

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    I have a G500 that has synthetic vision - basically a tv screen of the terrain and obstacles like antennas. I also have a GTN 650 that has terrain on a much smaller screen. I use my eyes outside for nearly all the time VFR, but it's nice to have as aid. There's an antenna near my home field that is 1,200 feet AGL and it's not lighted during the day. It's really hard to see in certain lighting and nice to have it show up electronically. There are ways to get most of that capability for much less than what the prior owner of my plane spent. At night, in a new area, I'd much prefer to have what I have vs a sectional.

    At your 150ish budget, you should be able to get a good avionics package. It's better to find what you want already installed. It's about 50 cents on the dollar vs installing yourself. For that budget, I'd expect a minimum of a WAAS GPS and some electronic attitude indicator combo instrument like a G5 or dual G5's. All these are Garmin model #'s. There are other companies that have equivalent.
     
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