Stupid public school

I was curious because my wife graduated from college with a teaching certificate. She found out that she did not like teaching. She changed course early, and now is happy with what she does. You lost me on religion as an afterthought.

In some schools, religion can be discussed freely, as an essential part of a life.

Public schools cannot support this discourse, as issues of parity, offense, establishment, etc dominate.
 
Third, it has been my experience that people who send their kids to private school are more interested in what their kids are not taught, than what they are taught. All the private schools that I know around here are religion based schools. Parents who send their kids to them are primarily concerned that their kids are not taught anything that might contradict their interpretation of faith. I'm not saying that they are not concerned with the three "r"s, but that is not the reason they send them to private school.

That has not been my experience. I attended both public and private schools growing up. As someone else pointed out, "no topic off-limits" at the private school, which is not what I could say for the public system. In fact, I still to this day get surprised when someone says that I'm "outspoken", which happens frequently. Of course I am... it's my life, and I'd rather communicate than guess, even if the topic seems "negative" to you. Silly me.

In fact, I just noticed something there in that sentence that actually covers it really well! The private school was a school. The public school was a system more than it was a school. And the "system" wasn't always about education.

(Thank goodness the private school taught me how to diagram sentences, recognize nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, pronouns, and even the odd-balls like "Please" that aren't really good adverbs, but aren't quite their own category either. Public school "Language Arts" class -- already not called "English" by the time I arrived in the 90s, but certainly not about any other languages other than English... was simply an exercise to get students to read, something I already did voraciously by the time I reached High School.)

The private school's only competitive value in the 1980s was EXACTLY that they were concerned with the "three R's", since they weren't cheap and certainly there was nothing like tax refunds or "vouchers" back then. For our family, the other main benefit was that they also offered greatly extended hours for parents who were working very hard to make ends meet in the recession of the 1980s. That should tell you something... a typical middle-class family struggling through a recession found the extended hours plus the education to be worth spending MONEY on such a school in the 80s. The value was both a good education and a bit of "child care". They had food, activities, etc... so we wouldn't be "latch-key" kids.

It cost money. Mom was working hard in the (at the time) failing and then later recovering oil & gas business in Denver after the oil shale "boom" that drove most of Denver's growth in the 1980s, and stepfather was working hard trying to save what was ultimately a failing photography business. Money wasn't something in huge supply in our family. We weren't going hungry or cold, but we weren't out buying big-ticket items or taking big trips anywhere.

I see a lot of families sending kids to private institutions in the same boat today, including one of my good friends who chose a so-called "religious" school. Having visited the school, the religious aspect isn't very highly pushed throughout a typical day, and topics aren't censored or otherwise disallowed there. Evolution *is* taught at that particular private religious school, for example.

I attended the private school from Grade 1 through Grade 5. We later moved, and I started being a "latch-key kid" at Grade 6.

I've always been grateful for my time at the private institution, and how hard my folks worked to make that happen for me and my next-youngest stepsister.

That school pushed critical thinking, the three R's, and self-discipline harder than the public system, by a long shot. And performance was individual and there were consequences for failure. You could get an F, and you could get held back in "last year's" math classes while you went up in overall grade. One of the interesting possibilities in a private school... "held back" didn't always mean a grade, it could mean just a CLASS. Smart. Try doing that in the public school system.

Discussions with the owners/administrators were real and genuine and they had the authority to make changes to "the rules" if necessary or exceptions. They were the true bosses at their school, and it showed a real reason to respect them.

In contrast, no public school administrator ever had the power to "buck the system" for any reason. While I actually liked our administrators in my high school, I saw them as glorified paper pushers and "cops" enforcing the rules handed down from on-high. They had zero authority to do anything other than what "the District" handed down. They also garnered a lot less respect from students -- we all knew they weren't "the real boss". Some six-figure politicians over in some building a long way from all the schools was the real authority, and no one dared question them about anything.

Teachers at both institutions were excellent, but the public school teachers "pushed their personal agendas" far harder than at the private institution.

The private institution pushed self-discipline. The boys participated in a military-style Drill Team once a week, the girls had Ballet... Oooh, imagine the screaming and hollering now-a-days about forced activities like that and having separate "gender-based" activities! I can hear the whiners now.

The reality was that the school was physically small, and changing rooms and things were in short-supply... if the boys were kept in one area for "Drill" and the girls in another for "Ballet", they didn't have logistical problems. It made sense, since the school was in a large old Victorian multiple-bedroom house and detached dance studio not much larger than a three-car garage.

And there was a co-ed activity also... Square Dancing. You can laugh all you like... respect for everyone and the opposite gender was taught through pairing students up with different "dance partners" for Square Dancing and the boys would formally request the dance, from the girl, etc. You learned to get along with everyone. No cliques, no "I always dance with so-and-so" allowed.

I get a kick out of "tolerance" freaks nowadays who would utterly freak out at both having such wildly different activities "forced" on the different genders. ;)
 
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And moving to private for profit school would mean that the education system would not be about the money?
No, but it more directly ties income to good performance. My parents chose the private education route for our family. We've put thousands of dollars into a broke socialist system that doesn't work. It's time to end it and privatize all education.

Ryan
 
That has not been my experience. I attended both public and private schools growing up. As someone else pointed out, "no topic off-limits" at the private school, which is not what I could say for the public system. In fact, I still to this day get surprised when someone says that I'm "outspoken", which happens frequently. Of course I am... it's my life, and I'd rather communicate than guess, even if the topic seems "negative" to you. Silly me.

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I get a kick out of "tolerance" freaks nowadays who would utterly freak out at both having such wildly different activities "forced" on the different genders. ;)


Apparently they taught you to type very fast, too. :thumbsup:
 
And there was a co-ed activity also... Square Dancing. You can laugh all you like... respect for everyone and the opposite gender was taught through pairing students up with different "dance partners" for Square Dancing and the boys would formally request the dance, from the girl, etc. You learned to get along with everyone. No cliques, no "I always dance with so-and-so" allowed.
We had that in public school all throughout elementary and into middle school. To put time into perspective, I was in middle school on 9-11. That said high school was very much a "system" without any real common sense. That's why I never made it past the 9th grade.
 
Apparently they taught you to type very fast, too. :thumbsup:

Hmm, interesting point. Actually, I have to credit the public school system with that one, and an available elective course. Learned to type in High School on an IBM Selectric typewriter under a teacher who allowed no mistakes.

Reached 80 WPM by first semester of Senior year of high-school, and then have worked in "tech" jobs and have owned a personal computer since I was 12. Another thing I'm grateful to my hard-working parents for... the entire family, including extended family on "both sides" (Mom & Dad divorced when I was 5, and it was always civil -- but that's a different story) saved up to purchase an early 8-bit machine in the mid-80s for me.

I am always amazed when I meet "Software Engineers" who can't touch-type, but I've learned that the typing skill isn't as important in computing as the ability to think through the code, and one of my good friends who's been in computer and network security for over a decade is a hilariously fast "three-finger typist" who has to look at his keyboard.

Should have learned that odd-ball keyboard that court reporters use where they "chord" the word sounds, and moonlighted doing that job in college or something. It pays well and the legal system has always been a "growth industry". :) :thumbsup:
 
I am always amazed when I meet "Software Engineers" who can't touch-type, but I've learned that the typing skill isn't as important in computing as the ability to think through the code, and one of my good friends who's been in computer and network security for over a decade is a hilariously fast "three-finger typist" who has to look at his keyboard.

I'm a hunt-and-peck typist and usually roll along at 80 WPM.

Should have learned that odd-ball keyboard that court reporters use where they "chord" the word sounds, and moonlighted doing that job in college or something. It pays well and the legal system has always been a "growth industry". :) :thumbsup:

My father taught typing after WW2 in NYC. His younger brother teased him relentlessly about it so he gave it up. He set some small record (160 WPM in 1949 IIRC?) but that was that.

I learned all this after he died from his other brother.
 
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