Starship...?

Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by Flyxaos, Nov 27, 2021.

  1. Flyxaos

    Flyxaos Filing Flight Plan

    Joined:
    May 16, 2020
    Messages:
    15
    Location:
    NW WA

    Display name:
    Flyxaos
    If you have nothing better to do...

    Use Goggle maps to look at Skagit Regional in WA. There is a pretty rare aircraft sitting out front of the Exec fbo. Just like it is ready for a daily trip.

    Pretty cool. I would post a screen grab, but seem to have technical defficieny.
     
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2021
  2. kgruber

    kgruber En-Route PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    Messages:
    4,769
    Location:
    Western Washington

    Display name:
    Skywag
    There "was" one based at Walla Walla. Here you go on Skagit

    [​IMG]
     
    Flyxaos likes this.
  3. Matthew Johnson

    Matthew Johnson Pre-Flight PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2021
    Messages:
    53

    Display name:
    Matt Johnson
    We saw one parked in northern Michigan this summer. PXL_20210803_143340466.jpg
     
    Flyxaos likes this.
  4. Wagondriver

    Wagondriver Pre-takeoff checklist

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2020
    Messages:
    280

    Display name:
    375Taylor
    There is, last time I drove by, one based in Aspen. The story I heard was that the owner of the one at Aspen had bought up all the parts when the manufacturer went belly up.
     
    Flyxaos likes this.
  5. NJP_MAN

    NJP_MAN Pattern Altitude

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2013
    Messages:
    1,869
    Location:
    Kentucky

    Display name:
    Shawn
    The real starship is in Boca Chica. The beech 2000 can't even go to LEO.
     
    Kenny Phillips, Scrabo and Flyxaos like this.
  6. Velocity173

    Velocity173 Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    13,328

    Display name:
    Velocity173
    That’s the aircraft pictured above. N514RS (Robert Scherer) is NC-51. He’s actually friends with Burt Rutan and flew chase during some of the Spaceship One flights. Anyway, he bought up the remaining inventory to keep his aircraft and others going.
     
    TCABM and Flyxaos like this.
  7. PastZTL

    PastZTL Pre-Flight

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2021
    Messages:
    47

    Display name:
    PastZTL
    I read that the Starship construction was revolutionary for the time and had to be over built to achieve certification. The certified aircraft was overweight and therefore didn't meet performance expectations. I wonder what would happen if it were built today with so much more experience in composition construction.
     
    Mxfarm and Flyxaos like this.
  8. Tools

    Tools Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2020
    Messages:
    521

    Display name:
    Tools
    Oshkosh last summer, by the terminal...

    908B44F4-153F-46DC-8861-7DAACF75A544.jpeg
     
  9. AggieMike88

    AggieMike88 Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2010
    Messages:
    19,913
    Location:
    Denton, TX

    Display name:
    The original "I don't know it all" of aviation.
    Starship 1 is based at KADS.... Been a few times when I was #2 behind it for landing.

    Gorgeous airplane.

    A really good video done by local aviation photographer, Erik Johnston

     
  10. Zeldman

    Zeldman Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2014
    Messages:
    14,526
    Location:
    high desert NM

    Display name:
    Billy
    Starship.

    [​IMG]

    Out of annual, needs updated avionics, no GPS or ADB-S but otherwise in good shape.
     
    Trobaugh, Skyrys62, Pilawt and 2 others like this.
  11. Sierra_Hotel

    Sierra_Hotel Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2019
    Messages:
    629

    Display name:
    Sierra_Hotel
    Damn, would have loved to see it while I was there a few years ago.
     
  12. kgruber

    kgruber En-Route PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    Messages:
    4,769
    Location:
    Western Washington

    Display name:
    Skywag
    What killed the Starship was the King Air 350. It did EVERYTHING better for less $$$$.
     
    Rgbeard and N747JB like this.
  13. Domenick

    Domenick Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2019
    Messages:
    884

    Display name:
    Domenick
    The Skagit (BVS) Google Earth image was taken 8/15/2020. Is it still there?
     
  14. SoonerAviator

    SoonerAviator Final Approach

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2014
    Messages:
    7,076
    Location:
    Broken Arrow, OK

    Display name:
    SoonerAviator
    Starship 1 used to show up at RVS in Tulsa from time to time as well. Definitely hard to miss on the ground or in the air. Very distinctive sound.
     
  15. ktup-flyer

    ktup-flyer En-Route

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2012
    Messages:
    4,061
    Location:
    Tupelo, MS

    Display name:
    ktup-flyer
    That’s Rob Scherer’s. He’s got enough spares to keep it flying for a looooong time
     
  16. Ryan F.

    Ryan F. Cleared for Takeoff

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2016
    Messages:
    1,226

    Display name:
    Ryan Ferguson 1974
    I've seen this one and one other (to my knowledge) a few times in the last 10 years or so. Most recently I saw it at VNY.

    If I'm not mistaken there are (or were) a grand total of three still flying.
     
  17. Velocity173

    Velocity173 Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    13,328

    Display name:
    Velocity173
    Raj says 4 still flying. Few years back there were 6.
     
  18. Kenny Phillips

    Kenny Phillips En-Route

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2018
    Messages:
    4,439

    Display name:
    Kenny Phillips
    And you can buy a Piaggio Avanti II/Evo that is even better. Plus looks cool.
     
    3393RP likes this.
  19. Ghery

    Ghery Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2005
    Messages:
    10,692
    Location:
    Olympia, Washington

    Display name:
    Ghery Pettit
    Not to mention the sound. I've been near the Piaggio and it is unique sounding.
     
    3393RP, tjfelles and kgruber like this.
  20. Velocity173

    Velocity173 Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    13,328

    Display name:
    Velocity173
    Both the Starship and Piaggio sound similar for reason. The exhaust / nacelle air is getting “cut” by the props producing a popping sound. One of the reasons why Rutan got out of making pusher canards.


    At 2:20
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2021
  21. Domenick

    Domenick Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2019
    Messages:
    884

    Display name:
    Domenick
    Back in September 2020, I saw this Avanti II (P180) land at Roche Harbor, WA (W09, 3500x30). Deplaned a few passengers and took off.
    Piaggio.180.jpg WA09.02.jpg
    There seems to be some confusion over the landing and takeoff performance of the aircraft. Some references have it requiring another 1000 feet beyond the Roche Harbor length to land. Some have the later EVO at about 3200' for both TO and landing.

    This pilot/plane had no trouble with plenty of length left over for both. I assume the plane was well under MGW, but still ...
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2021
  22. wanttaja

    wanttaja En-Route

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2008
    Messages:
    3,703
    Location:
    Seattle

    Display name:
    Ron Wanttaja
    Well, there's Starships, and there's Starships. Check out N903SC....
    enterprise2.JPG

    Ron Wanttaja
     
    Ghery likes this.
  23. fasteddie

    fasteddie Pre-Flight

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Messages:
    93

    Display name:
    Fasteddie
    Always thought this was an interesting take on the Starship:

     
  24. Pilawt

    Pilawt Final Approach

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2005
    Messages:
    8,773

    Display name:
    Pilawt
    Marana AZ, April 2017

    P4020221_HDR.jpeg
     
  25. 3393RP

    3393RP En-Route

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2012
    Messages:
    3,377

    Display name:
    3393RP
    I would love to own a P180. They're way cool. I even got my wife on board for the purchase of one. There's just the problem of funding.

    Every time one I hear one fly over our house, I tell her "There goes our Piaggio!

    :D

    I have a good story about the first time I saw a Starship on a ramp.

    https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/beechcraft-starship.64906/#post-1295981

    :D
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2021
    Sierra_Hotel and Ghery like this.
  26. SoonerAviator

    SoonerAviator Final Approach

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2014
    Messages:
    7,076
    Location:
    Broken Arrow, OK

    Display name:
    SoonerAviator
    Starship > Piaggio P180 in the looks department.
     
  27. Rgbeard

    Rgbeard En-Route

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2017
    Messages:
    2,619
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ and Ensenada, Mexico

    Display name:
    rgbeard
    20+ years ago, (perhaps closer to 30), the maintenance facility at CPS had one in for some service.

    I was able to tag-along on a post-maint flight. It was fun, and louder than I thought it would be.
     
  28. CaptainXap

    CaptainXap Pre-Flight

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2019
    Messages:
    79

    Display name:
    Captain Xap
    Except for looking cool.
     
  29. Martin Pauly

    Martin Pauly Line Up and Wait PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Messages:
    516
    Location:
    Cedar Rapids, IA

    Display name:
    Martin Pauly
    Here is one seen in the wild, flown by Raj at the Beech Party in Tullahoma, TN in October 2021.