Senate votes to shield US airlines from EU's carbon scheme

Mafoo said:
Interesting bit of news.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/22/us-usa-carbon-airlines-idUSBRE88L06C20120922
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The following excerpt from the article implies that part of the European tax is based on portions of the flight that occur in the United States. Does anyone know if that's true?

..."It's refreshing to see strong, bipartisan support for the commonsense notion that Americans shouldn't be forced to pay a European tax when flying in U.S. airspace."
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Palmpilot said:
The following excerpt from the article implies that part of the European tax is based on portions of the flight that occur in the United States. Does anyone know if that's true?
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From the little bit I learned at recurrent, the tax is based on the whole flight from takeoff to landing not just the time the flight is in European airspace.
 
I've always worried that carbon emissions taxes could set a president that leads to a tax citizens in a large city must pay for exhaling.
 
Everskyward said:
From the little bit I learned at recurrent, the tax is based on the whole flight from takeoff to landing not just the time the flight is in European airspace.
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That sounds like a violation of sovereignty.
 
All that green crap is socialism rebadged. Every scheme they have involves the state taking economic control of something. Bunch of watermelons, green on the outside red on the inside.
 
Nah, it's capitalism. Look up who was going to run the brokerage houses that traded "carbon credits". Every transaction would have incurred trading fees...
 
ClimbnSink said:
All that green crap is socialism rebadged. Every scheme they have involves the state taking economic control of something. Bunch of watermelons, green on the outside red on the inside.
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Baloney.
 
Mafoo said:
Only if you're forced to conduct business in Europe. American based airlines are not.
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In that case, then the U.S. could tax foreign-based airlines that fly to and from here for the miles they fly in their home countries. It wouldn't have to be related to emissions either.
 
Palmpilot said:
In that case, then the U.S. could tax foreign-based airlines that fly to and from here for the miles they fly in their home countries. It wouldn't have to be related to emissions either.
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They could. We have a tariff system that would allow such things. However we usually try and pass laws that we at least think are in the best interest of the United States, so we chose not to tax for such a thing.

But it's not because we can't.
 
So if the legislation to prohibit U.S. airlines from complying with EU law passes, won't U.S. airlines be caught in between a rock and a hard place? It seems like they could be punished no matter which of the conflicting laws they decide to obey.
 
Carbon credits, carbon emission limits that are limited in supply so industry has to pay more and more for them, bankrupting the coal industry, restricting drilling domestically, higher energy taxes, etc.

It is re-distribution, it is rebadged communism based on a failed religion of MMGW. I have a European friend that many years ago told me the joke in Europe was that GREEN WAS RED. Its not "baloney". When people resort to name calling like that, with nothing to back it up, you know you've hit home, yet again.
 
Yes the economy of our country is going to turn into socialism overnight via an emissions tax for airliners.
 
Are you guys clueless or commie collorborators? Will you guys hurry up and ban 100LL already, stuff is filthy. I dont need it to fly and will be laughing my ass off when it is gone.
 
Paraphrasing Louis in Casablanca, I am shocked, shocked that this Congress passed anything. :rolleyes:

Cheers
 
Anthony said:
Carbon credits, carbon emission limits that are limited in supply so industry has to pay more and more for them, bankrupting the coal industry, restricting drilling domestically, higher energy taxes, etc.

It is re-distribution, it is rebadged communism based on a failed religion of MMGW. I have a European friend that many years ago told me the joke in Europe was that GREEN WAS RED. Its not "baloney". When people resort to name calling like that, with nothing to back it up, you know you've hit home, yet again.
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"Baloney" is name calling, but "communism" is not?

As for "nothing to back it up," I provided exactly the same amount of backup for my opinion as Greg did for his.
 
So if the EU and the US pass conflicting laws on the same subject, how do the airlines figure out which law they are required to obey when they fly to Europe?

If the EU went ahead and sanctioned US airlines for not paying the tax, what could the US do about it?
 
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N747JB said:
At least that buys us a little time.:D I don't think he's against the idea of the tax, I think the fact that it would be the EU getting the money is what bothered him.:rolleyes: I still think he is going to try to push a cap and trade tax, but just not this one and right now.
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Exactly. Watch the other hand. It was that the tax revenue would go to Europe and not Obama. He will be pushing for a U.S. Carbon Tax soon, to "reduce the deficit", and help the environment. None of the revenue will go to deficit reduction, but to green company cronies.
 
Ask yourself one question. What happens to the money collected for this carbon tax?

Sure, we don't have one yet here, but it is just a matter of time. Any way to get more tax dollars out of us.
 
Geico266 said:
Ask yourself one question. What happens to the money collected for this carbon tax?

Sure, we don't have one yet here, but it is just a matter of time. Any way to get more tax dollars out of us.
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That's what I was thinking. The only solution is for the US to have a carbon tax too, to out-carbon-tax the EU bastards. And you know there are people in DC who are thinking the exact same thing. Calling Al Gore ... :mad2:
 
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