Planes that should NOT have been built

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  1. Ravioli

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    The other thread got me thinking. I know there are some.

    I'll start with C172RG.

    Here are the non-allowed responses:
    Bonanza
    Cirrus
    Raptor [We beat that horse routinely]

    and of course... anything Vans
     
  2. RyanB

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    All other makes and models, since they’re inferior to these two. Pretty much covers it, don’t ya think?
     
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    AV-8, F-35B, V-22.
     
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    Frost Ornithopter

    Whitehead Model 21 Monoplane
     
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    Most of the list so far fits those categories, so apparently were mostly in agreement.
     
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    rubbish-filth-slime-muck-boo-boo-boo.jpg

    Never should've built all those silly high wings.

    Except for the 195s. They're cool.
     
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    Reported!
     
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    Well one of the mods said that no low-wings should have been made so....
     
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    **** off lol
     
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    Fine, after vacillating on this all morning, the 182

    Pour gas into a huge engine to go barely 140 knots.. something that looks just like the trainer everyone else is trying to learn to fly on..

    Awful.

    Why anyone would buy this:
    https://www.trade-a-plane.com/searc...2Q+SKYLANE&listing_id=2380443&s-type=aircraft

    Over this:
    https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?make=PIPER&model_group=PIPER+CHEROKEE+PA32+SERIES&model=CHEROKEE+6/300&listing_id=2388676&s-type=aircraft

    Is absolutely beyond me

    After the 190/195 (and 180), three of arguably the most beautiful single engine piston planes ever built.. Cessna should have either stopped building piston planes altogether, or at least not given up entirely. After the three aforementioned planes it's almost like Cessna was stuck in a passionless loveless marriage just going through the motions satisfying the flight schools.. everyone else knows that they emotionally gave up decades ago
     
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    Beech Starship.

    King Air 350 did EVERYTHING better for less money.
     
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    Sadly you are right, but damn such a cool looking plane
     
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    Anything Mooney, and not because of the airplane, but because of Mooney pilots.
     
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    Except look better:
    starship.jpg
    :blowingkisses::drool:
     
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    I wonder how the starship would have faired with today's modern manufacturing technologies. My understanding is that it's way overweight due to inefficient lay-up and composite materials/resins of the day. If someone made one today, far lighter, (no, not you Mr. Raptor), it may infact outperform a Kingair.
     
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    I rode as a pax, once, in a Starship.

    It was noisy, but the cool factor was turned up to eleven.
     
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    The canard design has some inherent advantages, and the avanti is a fast, miserly plane.. though not a "true" canard

    Part my draw to the twin velocity is owed to the starship
     
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    In all seriousness...how about the Vision Jet?

    I haven't looked into the numbers, but I was sitting in the FBO with a CFI friend who pays attention to such things, and one taxied up outside. His comment was that it doesn't do anything that a turboprop can't do better, with the exceptions of a parachute and being a 'jet'.
     
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    The story I've always read is/was that the FAA had no idea how to certify composite materials when the Starship was in development. So the airplane ended up with excessive safety factors on all of the composite structures, driving excess weight.
     
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    Looking strictly at the numbers you are better off purchasing a TBM that's for sure.. but the SF50 is a fraction of the cost.. I don't think there's any plane that you can have new for the price of the SF50 that will go as high or as fast

    And who knows, that famous lawyer who just wrecked the TBM in New York, maybe his niece could have pulled the parachute

    But success is generally defined by commercial sales.. with a full order book The Vision jet can hardly be considered a failure.. same is true about the 182, I just hate the airplane but it's been a huge success
     
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    All the maintenance of a retract, at the speed of a fixed gear.
     
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    You mean the plane that looks like it's awkwardly wearing a backpack, and that you expect to melt the ruddervators?
     
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    Would the M600 be a fair comparison? I think they're a bunch cheaper?
     
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    The Avanti is basically that
     
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    The engine doesn't bother me, and I'm a sucker for a V-tail, but the bulbous mid section is the part I hate. Like a snake that ate too much.

    Yeah yeah form follows function. Also my opinion doesn't matter because unless I'm an heir to a minor European monarch I'm unware of, I'll never be playing in that space.
     
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