Jaybird180
Final Approach
Anyone have useful data on how much time can be saved by doing TnG vs Full Stop and taxi back?
My home drone doesn't permit TnG ops
My home drone doesn't permit TnG ops
At your home 'drome (W00), I wouldn't do them even if they were allowed -- too short and obstructed for my taste.My home drone doesn't permit TnG ops
At your home 'drome (W00), I wouldn't do them even if they were allowed -- too short and obstructed for my taste.
If you're paying by Hobbs time the cost per landing will be higher with FSTB than TnG but not by a huge amount if you don't spend much time waiting at the hold short line. And even when the airport is busy, the difference might not be significant as that tends to stretch the pattern and therefor increase the time spent in the air.I think it took me about 6-8 mins per circuit with stop and taxi back, checklist and ready to go. I'm wondering if going to another strip nearby would save Hobbs time for the same number of takeoffs and landings.
Anyone have useful data on how much time can be saved by doing TnG vs Full Stop and taxi back?
My home drone doesn't permit TnG ops
Anyone have useful data on how much time can be saved by doing TnG vs Full Stop and taxi back?
My home drone doesn't permit TnG ops
It's not in the A/FD so unless it's in a NOTAM it's not mandatory. Still, like Ron said there's not a lot of room for any problems on a T&G.\__[Ô]__/;967985 said:Out of curiosity, who is imposing that limitation?
I think it took me about 6-8 mins per circuit with stop and taxi back, checklist and ready to go. I'm wondering if going to another strip nearby would save Hobbs time for the same number of takeoffs and landings.
Try it and see.
What about Stop and Gos?
It's not in the A/FD so unless it's in a NOTAM it's not mandatory. Still, like Ron said there's not a lot of room for any problems on a T&G.
Not at Freeway (W00) unless you're flying a helicopter.What about Stop and Gos?
...and if a TnG isn't safe, a SnG is out of the question. As for flying somewhere else, I can't think of anywhere nearby W00 where the flying time back and forth would not take way more time than you'd save by doing TnG's versus FSTB's.Correct, but a visit will make it common sense not to do TnG
It's not in the A/FD so unless it's in a NOTAM it's not mandatory. Still, like Ron said there's not a lot of room for any problems on a T&G.
At your home 'drome (W00), I wouldn't do them even if they were allowed -- too short and obstructed for my taste.
Not enough runway.
Not at Freeway (W00) unless you're flying a helicopter.
If OTOH, you get charged by tach hours or better yet air time (some airplanes have a switch on the Hobbs that's triggered by airspeed) the airplane charges (but not the CFI time) will be less with FSTB.
I've always been curious about this...I always thought Tach time meant as long as the engine is running, you're getting billed. Since the engine is still running the whole time weather you are doing touch and go's or full stops, how would that save you more money?
Ok, makes sense.Some aircraft have a mechanical recording tach that runs "slow" when the engine is running at less than some nominal speed - so 10 minutes of taxi time running closer to idle speed only adds 2 - 5 minutes to the recording tach.
2400 feet, right? More than enough runway. Way more than enough. (At least if you are flying the right airplane. And I did look at the pictures of the airport.)
Not that I'm suggesting it's a good idea if the airplort manager has decided that T&G is a bad thing.
I was under the impression that "No TnG at W00" was a rule of the group that owns the plane you fly, not the airport. There is no such rule published for W00 in the A/FD, although perhaps the folks responsible for such things figured that between the runway length and the obstructions, nobody would be brave enough to try it there.That decision preceeded me, so I can't offer an intelligent answer. I was simply told 'no TnGs'. Perhaps I'll ask one of the old airport bums about it next available time
I don't think the extra 20 feet makes any significant difference in this discussion....and it's 2420'.
And did you ask that CFI where that rule was published?Way back, a long time ago, in a far off universe, my primary CFI instructed me that it's an airport rule.
In not allowed to do touch and go's without an instructor even though I have my PPL, either and have to do the full stop taxi back stuff.
Sounds like experience with renter pilots -- bad experience. Although a blanket ban on TnG's without an instructor aboard even for rated pilots is a new one on me, I know several operators who prohibit TnG's in retractable gear airplanes -- even with an instructor aboard. I remember a few years ago a flight school operator asking on the Grumman Gang if anyone had two Cougar props -- and also announcing there was an instructor opening on his staff.You have a private pilot certificate and aren't allowed to do a touch and go landing without an instructor? Sounds ridiculous.
If I'm logging time, I want to get some real experience value out of it. I find it slothful sitting on the ground burning money.Why would you want to save time? If the engine is running and you are taxiing for the purpose of flight, it's all loggable time (FAR 1.1 definition). I thought that finding excuses to log flight time was a major concern of most low-time pilots.
Bob Gardner
Why would you want to save time? If the engine is running and you are taxiing for the purpose of flight, it's all loggable time (FAR 1.1 definition). I thought that finding excuses to log flight time was a major concern of most low-time pilots.
Sounds like experience with renter pilots -- bad experience. Although a blanket ban on TnG's without an instructor aboard even for rated pilots is a new one on me, I know several operators who prohibit TnG's in retractable gear airplanes -- even with an instructor aboard.
If it's not published in the A/FD it's an airport suggestion.Way back, a long time ago, in a far off universe, my primary CFI instructed me that it's an airport rule.
There are variations but typically a mechanical tach records revolutions on the "hours" meter and there is always one RPM where tach hours are exactly equal to clock time. Generally that RPM will be at or near the RPM range recommended for cruise flight, on the Bonanza I used to own 2325 RPM was the magic number. But what ever that RPM is, the hours will accumulate at a rate equal to your actual RPM divided by the "clock time" RPM. In the aforementioned Bonanza, at 700 RPM the tach time runs about 70% slower than an accurate clock.I've always been curious about this...I always thought Tach time meant as long as the engine is running, you're getting billed. Since the engine is still running the whole time weather you are doing touch and go's or full stops, how would that save you more money?