PA-32-300 down, South Carolina

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  1. Rgbeard

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    From the PA-32 group on Facebook, a member of the group heard them on Guard.

    Statement made on guard about oil on the windshield, and one could hear the loud knocking of the engine over the radio.

    It appears the pilot aimed it for a field, and prelim information from a group member is that he/they are okay.

    N475RT
     
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  3. eman1200

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    that second flat spot looks like he prob landed somewhere. I see that sometimes on mine as well, sometimes I go somewhere to eat lunch but the track still shows up like that even though I landed.
     
  4. Hengelo

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    Family-wagon plane. Scary.
     
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    I've heard that Flightaware's network of monitors is not as complete for 978MHz UAT units like Tailbeacons. Thus there are gaps in the tracks of aircraft with those units.
     
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    You can kinda see it here. Looks like another he kept flying the plane until crash was over with one. Good Job flying. Time will tell if he did something that caused the engine to go kablooey

    [​IMG]
     
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    Looks like a great bit of flying. The statistics on the success of avoiding injury and death in engine failures are underreported and a credit to both the safety of our planes and the state of pilot training.
     
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    Sometimes all you have to do is start them up.
     
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    How is it a "crash", if the pilot had control of the aircraft until the moment it stopped?
     
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    Wow, great airmanship!
     
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    The comments on altitude all over the place are easily explained.

    Near Ocean City MD, he descended and flew low over the coastal Virginia peninsula, then climbed before crossing the bay.

    Next, he landed for a short time at an airport in North Carolina, and resumed the flight.

    The last turnback carried him away from open water, to a suitable farm field, not water or a swamp.

    Nice trip until the oil came out, and an outstanding forced landing. That plane will fly again, hopefully with the same pilot in command.

    I have made a landing with oil all over the windshield, on a long runway, and it is not easy. I still had normal oil pressure, and a running engine.
     
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    Yup
     
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    Aw c'mon man. You know fully well what the phrase means. What you just said verifies the point. Maybe someone else will play 'what's a crash' with you. I'm out.
     
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    I'd say this is no more a crash than Salty's forced landing. Damage to the aircraft? Yes. Damage due to aircraft's contact with the ground and/or obstruction? Yup. Is the word crash valid here? Mildly so. Is the term forced landing appropriate? Yes. @luvflyin pointed out that the pilot kept flying the aircraft until it came to a stop. I think there's a conflation among many pilots that an "accident" is the same as a "crash." In my estimation, both an incident and an accident could be called a crash to varying degrees depending on the circumstances. A gear up landing can be an accident or an incident, but it could be called a crash since the fuselage contacts the ground in a manner in which it was not intended and generally results in significant damage. Ground loop, same story. Seems like crash might be too broad a word perhaps, but not necessarily incorrect.
     
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    Which is what is why the military all moved to using the word mishap decades ago to describe virtually all aircraft damage or personal injury.
     
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    He did apparently hit a post, so that's a crash, right?
     
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    Until they figure out that "mishap" sounds vaguely sexist, and they change it again.
     
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    Or use mrhap for male pilots...:frown2: :lol:
     
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    Surprisingly, the news gal stated the pilot landed the aircraft and had a hard landing and did not describe it as a crash.

    The headline for the video says "plane crash," though...
     
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    You've obviously never read the media handbook for aviation events. Everything is a "crash", just like all pavement is "tarmac". All airliners are "Boeings" and all GA planes are "Cessnas". All you need to know!
     
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    So, umm, CFITs are NOT crashes? ;)
     
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    some things are harder to define.. but a reasonable person can know when something is a crash vs off airport landing, etc.
     
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    Every now and then it’s helpful, just to be certain, what the definition of important words are, like ‘is’. o_O:p
     
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    For the same reasons that an automobile collision is called an "accident." Responsibility is dead and people suck.
     
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    At least in WA, they’ve gotten away from “accident” and now use “collision” as very few of them are truly without fault.

    That said, the rest of your post I agree with.
     
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    Nice flying...
     
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    As always I go by the dictionary definition of the word crash.
    I crashed.
     
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    It's 2022, you can define things however you want now. Definitions are too restrictive. Feelings trump facts. Your "crash" might have self-identified as a "greaser." You assumed its identity as a crash. You aren't woke enough...
     
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    :) A good friend of mine spent most of his life on wheels. He would say "I'm not 'differently abled', I'm f&*&n handicapped." He wasn't looking for pity or a handout at all, it was just the tap dancing language bugged him.
     
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    Or just change the definition altogether. Thats a thing now too. To make a narrative fit.
     
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    As opposed to anytime before this in history.
     
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    " to cause (an aircraft) to make a landing in an abnormal manner, usually damaging or wrecking the aircraft."
    Hmmm ... I'm still not sure my propeller bending, wingtip grinding landing was a crash.
     
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    If you can walk away from a landing, it's a good landing. If you use the airplane the next day, it's an outstanding landing.

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    I’m sorry - coming from a guy named “flyingpreacher” - I just thought that was, well, interesting, even if said sarcastically :cool:
     
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    Definite sarcasm throughout. People try to do the same with the Bible and it frustrates me. God said what He said, not whatever your agenda wants Him to have said. :)
     
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    Is it a crash in the eyes of insurance? Or only if you make a claim. What happens to your insurance rates after a claim?
     
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