New Rating paperwork/certificate

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  1. X3 Skier

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    I passed my proficiency check for the ASES Rating and sent the paperwork to the FAA in OKC.

    Just curious how long it takes to get back the temporary document and the new certificate.

    Anyone have recent experiences?

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    Which temporary document?

    I assume this is at the Sport Pilot level, in which case I don’t believe you get a new certificate.
     
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    What's a proficiency check for a ASES rating?
     
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    Sport pilot doesn’t require a dpe for add ons
     
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    Ah, OK.

    The OP should have added Sport Pilot to the ASES part.

    Thanks.
     
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    According to the CFI who did the check ride, they issue a new certificate with ASES (Light Sport) to replace my current Private Pilot, ASEL Certificate. I have no clue if he was correct. I presumed a temporary certificate would be issued until the plastic one is printed. Different than the tail wheel endorsement in my log book since that’s not a rating.

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    At the SP level they’re endorsements, not ratings.
     
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    Once the 8710 is processed a new certificate will be sent.
     
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    No such thing as a sport pilot certificate? I really don’t know.

    When I got my Tailwheel endorsement, nothing was sent to OKC, just a logbook endorsement. This ASES (whatever it is), I had to send a couple of forms signed by the CFI and the Checkride CFI to OKC.

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    That’s what’s I was told.

    Back to my original question, any idea how long that takes?

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    I guess the confusion is I have a Private Pilot Certificate but took the check in a light sport seaplane.

    I suppose I’ll get a) sticker for the logbook or b) new PP certificate with ASES (SP) or maybe c) an SP certificate with nothing on it.

    Ditto on BWTHDIK.

    Typical POA thread:D

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    Add in 61.303…

    (iii) At least a recreational pilot certificate but not a rating for the category and class of light-sport aircraft you operate,

    (A) That light-sport aircraft, only if you hold the endorsements required in §61.321 for its category and class,

    (1) You must comply with the limitations in §61.315, except §61.315(c)(14) and, if a private pilot or higher, §61.315(c)(7).
     
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    To answer your original question, though…if you did the application in IACRA, they seem to be getting certificates out in well under 120 days. Not so much with paper applications, as we’ve had to get a few extensions for those.
     
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    I don’t think you can use iacra for sport pilot. My understanding is that it is still paper
     
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    I’ve not finished my sport pilot add on. But here is what my instructors certs looks like.
     

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    Today I got my new certificate. Not a paper one but a new plastic one with the following on the reverse with Wil and Orv. Same number as my “current”.

    Private Pilot
    Airplane Single Engine Land

    English Proficient
    Sport Pilot Endorsement(s) Airplane Single Engine Sea

    So you DO get a new one for this endorsement, unlike Tailwheel or Complex Endorsements

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    I've been rusty too long....feel out of the loop on this sports stuff....
    so you took a seaplane ride but it was in a sport category. So you're not rated to then fly a certificated seaplane...like say a cub on floats? Was the checkride not on all the same stuff?
     
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    Took training in a SeaRey, a light sport seaplane. Then I took a proficiency check with a different CFI. Same stuff as would be in the checkride with a DPE. Assuming you pass, if it’s a CFI, you get an endorsement that allows you to fly any LSA Seaplane eg, J-3 or Champ on floats, SeaRey or Aventura II. If it’s a DPE, you get an ASES Rating allowing flight in any single engine Seaplane like a 170 on floats or a LSA SeaRey.

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    A Sport Pilot can fly any aircraft that meets the LSA weight and performance limits, regardless of how it's certificated. So yes, he can fly a J-3 on floats.
     
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    I guess I would have thought that with a private you'd get private privileges at that level...but now I understand that the point is the check was with a CFI not a DPE
     
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    So you added sport pilot SES onto your private cert? It would have never occurred to me to do that.
     
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    Up to you at least two places, Jack Brown’s or Flying Fish that I know of. Probably more like Icon Training Centers. $500=$700 less for a CFI Vs DPE. Since I will only use Sport Pilot privileges, easy choice for me.

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    Not that unusual.
     
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    Good to know…thanks for following up!
     
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