N. Las Vegas Mid-air

Discussion in 'Aviation Mishaps' started by pmanton, Jul 17, 2022.

  1. Pinecone

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    So you have a system using both.

    Text for "routine" things, voice for immediate things.

    Text for Clearance Delivery and Taxi Route. Frequency remains clear for radio calls of issues.

    Modern military fighters do this. They actually send digital text messages in short burst versus radio calls.
     
  2. TCABM

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    I was wondering when TDL was going to he brought up. Things didn’t really start to change until symbology made it to the hud/helmet since that put digital situational awareness in the pilot’s line of sight in a portion of flight that was primarily a heads up/visual look out environment.

    IMHO, until we get to a similar level of technology, it’s not the safest thing in the world to he splitting your time heads down then visually looking out trying to acquire traffic in the terminal environment.

    Watching Bryan with a Y do this in his Oshkosh video was interesting. And that was with two people in the cockpit visually looking for traffic while using ADSB as an SA builder.
     
  3. Country Flier

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    Looking at the ground track of the Piper, I'm wondering if they were over the field when cleared for 30L, and if the fact that when looking to the ends of 30L/30R when over the field, they can seem reversed, and if that may have played into their error...? (If I'm making sense...in other words, from in the plane, your right is 30L, and your left is 30R...I made a drawing to illustrate)

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  4. PastZTL

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    That is not consistent with my experience in the FAA.
     
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    Velocity173 Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

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    The FAA has been sued numerous times for controller negligence.
     
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    Well, 5 out of 4 pilots can be dilsexic, but if you were turning towards the runway, you'd have to be a bit not paying attention if you didn't check the windsock, look at the runway IDs, and honestly, this would have been a place to be spotting aircraft that might be on final, and trying to build your mental picture. If anything, that makes it seem like a worse accident.
     
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    5 out of 4 can be dyslexic. Lol. Good one.
     
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  10. Pinecone

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    The one downside is loss of situation awareness of hearing instructions to other aircraft and going, HEY THAT IS NOT GOOD.

    But it would be a nice backup to the voice. N12345 Climb and maintain 9000, with a text message to the GPS or glass panel saying the same thing.

    But for taxi clearance and clearance delivery, I can see it at a busy airport. And Foreflight already has the automated clearance delivery.
     
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    There was actually a lawsuit that was decided just a few months ago over the Florida midair back in 2018. That one happened outside of the Class D but they still attempted to sue the FAA. They were not successful in that one.
     
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