Judge dope slaps the DHS hard for confiscating $35,000 from US family

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  1. mikea

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    Outside of the bogus entrapment so they could grab the cash to add to the party fund, we need to again wonder when the USA made it reasonable to have laws the likes of which haven't been seen since the iron curtain fell. :mad:

    Edit: I just noticed that the judge tacked on an extra $4000 outside of the legal fees.
     
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    To me, it seems un-American that the courts have relaxed the due process requirements for asset seizure to the extent that they have. And this business of naming the asset as the defendant, instead of the person or entity that the asset is being seized from, is just looney.
     
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    When will the TSA and DHS be dumped?

    It seems like they can do anything they want with no real penalty.
     
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    There was the Mexican who lost his $nn,000 life savings he was bringing back to Mexico just because it was $nn,000. Another one who was sent on a mission to buy a truck for his village with cash.

    The troopers in Florida are taking any cash they find on random car stops.

    And a $12,000 cash tip is, by definition, drug money. http://news.yahoo.com/minn-waitress-reclaims-12-000-tip-dispute-222452161.html

    That is, when you add $1.00 to a stack of cash adding up to $9,999.00, it belongs to the government. :no:
     
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    Under the current brand of gov't, whether Rep, or Dem, the goal seems to be to force everyone to go to the gov't and get permission to do anything, no matter how trivial and wait for some gov't waste of O2, to give you permission.
     
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    That has more to do with a number of Administration's Executive Branches abusing the Executive Order during "wartime". Even though we've had no declaration of War by Congress. Once the public allowed the politicians an undeclared War (three?) the stage was set.

    Congress has also been fully compliant with the passing of truly awful legislation too. Both Parties, no matter who's in power.

    They won't be dumped. The "terrorism" story is perfect cover for the power-mongers. Anything that happens is a quick way to bypass the checks and balances.

    The chances any of this reaches SCOTUS before they pass even more bad law is near-zero. There's little to no accountability, as long as the Consumer can go shopping. :(
     
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    I may be wrong but I think asset forfeiture cases have gotten to the steps of the Supremes and have been held up.
     
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    I don't doubt that terrorism may be used as an excuse for perpetuating them, but the excuse given for passing the asset forfeiture laws was the War on Drugs, IIRC.
     
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    The never will.

    1. The government would never give up power like that
    2. Government doesn't wanna cut spending that kind of money.
     
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    That's right. They sold out to the anti-drug hysteria.
     
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    Folks:

    Guy I know, a 135 operator, was arrested after a large quantity of cocaine was found in possession of his charter customers. Aged over 60 and having lived in the same place for decades, with wife, he was held without bail for six months or so pending trial. "Flight risk."

    Charter customers (whose profile had never seemed suspicious to the pilot) plead guilty in plea deals, told prosecutors that they had made great effort to conceal the nature of their trips from pilot.

    At trial, took jury around 90 minutes to declare him, "not guilty."

    So now, the government is aggressively prosecuting a civil case to take away his 421C.

    It is evil, personified. To these bastards, it is a game; the lives and livelihoods of their victims are irrelevant.
     
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    They want to sell the 421 at auction to get cash do they can buy more guns to sell undercover to the drug lords in Mexico.

    Anyone else find all of this deplorable? Problem is, even if we manage to find a Congress willing to cut funding for these schennanigans, they still self-fund with captured "drug paraphernalia". Like fast boats, nice cars, and ... aircraft.
     
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    If enough voters cared about this, Congress could end it by outlawing asset seizure in any case where there has been no conviction of the asset's owner.
     
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    How can we stop it? Voting doesn't seem to do anything. Media?
     
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    I find the entire US narcotic interdiction effort deplorable, as it is ineffective, expensive, and underlies most of the forfeitures we have seen of the freedoms for which so many have fought and died.
     
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    Media is busy selling ads of episodes of "Cops" showing the really sad result of most of this in poor neighborhoods. They have no reason to care. Drug war means higher ratings on the evening "news". And drug war means more episodes of "Breaking Bad", "Weeds", etc. Being a suburbanite drug lord from your basement is now romanticized and monetized in advertising money.

    People think its entertainment.
     
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    I would go a bit further and say the "war" on drugs is perfect cover for nefarious law enforcement types to steal, as well as abuse the system for personal gain, in other ways.
     
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    Once again we find ourselves in agreement. Must be something to it.
     
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    I have observed this in action.
     
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    Ah well, as a smart man said, yesterday, "no one's perfect..."
     
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    Until they get their head blown off when the wander near a meth lab or pot farm in the boonies.

    All the millions of $$$ spent on the drug war, and why do we still have these illegal labs, farms and ops in existence?

    One of the avionics shops I know the last several years has been converting King Airs with upgraded nav equipment for the DEA to do drug interdiction missions in South America. They are spending millions flying planes in Brazil and Columbia. WTF? We have the DEA, FBI, CIA, BATF, DHS, etc literally tripping over each other here and in foreign countries trying to create more reasons for their budgets to grow!
     
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    Precisely. The TSA will go away when the people demand it.
     
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    Actually, I believe the nationwide limitation on pseudophedrine sales has been effective at elimination domestic methamphetamine production. Now we just get it from Mexico.
     
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    And so another industry's jobs go overseas...:yikes:

    I'm pretty conservative, and I think the war on drugs is a losing proposition.

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    There's soem hope, if they don't fire all guns to bury this one.*

    Spike: How unusual izzit to have a judge make the US pay the attorney fees in a criminal case?

    * The judge better not be planning to fly and any relatives better have a very clean record.
     
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    So never. To do so would admit that transit can not and will never be 100% safe from bad guys.

    Collectively we lack the ability to accept that casualties will happen as a trade off for ease of use & overall improved experience.
     
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    Same here. I'm no fan of recreational drug abuse but when you look at the drug war, it's difficult to see any impact on drug use. All I see is an enormous price tag, destroyed lives, and dead cops.

    My solution would be to legalize and regulate rec drugs but strongly enforce employers' rights to deny employment to anyone who fails a drug test. Also, drug tests for anyone taking government money.
     
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    And yet the drug dealers simply do a electronic transfer of funds, and no one says shi- about it.
     
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    How anyone in Government expects a vacation holiday industry to survive exposure to the A-hole Emergency Network on every trip is beyond me.

    As far as I'm concerned, airline travel sucks from the moment you try to find a parking space at the departure airport, until the moment you leave the airport at your destination.

    If I'm on holiday, the last thing I do is go near a major airport or an airline.

    Trying to build a holiday travel industry on a foundation of that much mistreatment and frustration is just plain stupid.

    Most business travel could cut over to online conferenceing in a heart beat. The whole industry is on such thin ice.
     
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    Yeah, I agree, but never underestimate the docility of the sheeple.

    I would have bet that airlines would be screening bloody murder but they have plenty of business. The TSA has backed down due to some complaints and tried to make the gate agents a little less nasty as they voyeuristically check your wallet contents for no reason.

    I WILL NOT fly commercial short of work order or emergency purpose.

    You'd think that business would embrace online conferencing but some industries won't try it. The other end has corporate GA air travel.
     
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    I got "chosen" out of hundreds, for a nude-o-meter, screening, last week. As soon as the make believe, cop pointed to the scanner and demanded I enter, I politely responded, "I am NOT going into that machine."
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    Do we now have a government that is so much more powerful than it's people that even it's own currency is now a reason to arrest and seize?

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    It's not like this is anything new. It's been going on long before the TSA was birthed. 60 Minutes did a segment 15-20 years ago exposing cash seizures at an airport. When the gate agent noticed someone with a large amount of cash she would quietly summon the feds, who would detain and question the traveler. If the traveler wasn't a wealthy person the feds seized the cash. IIRC, one guy was a salt-of-the-earth black man who owned a landscaping business traveling for his business to purchase trees or shrubbery and carried IIRC around $6K cash because that's how he got the best prices from the producers. The feds took his $ and he didn't have the funds to fight to get it back.

    Ed Bradley went undercover posing as a traveler carrying cash and they filmed the gate agent calling the feds who quickly arrived and asked him why he was carrying so much $. He tried to say it was none of their business but that didn't go over very well. Until he told them who he was and revealed the camera.
     
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    I miss that era of 60 minutes.
     
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    Is that an age joke? Ageism is just as ugly as racism, you know...:D