Is there a "correct" call sign for the PA-28R?

Discussion in 'Change to my Frequency...' started by iamtheari, Nov 16, 2016.

  1. FastEddieB

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    Sec. 91.319

    Aircraft having experimental certificates: Operating limitations.

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    (d) Each person operating an aircraft that has an experimental certificate shall--
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    (3) Notify the control tower of the experimental nature of the aircraft when operating the aircraft into or out of airports with operating control towers.
     
  2. JohnAJohnson

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    I believe a Cardinal RG is a C77R.
     
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    If you fly a Tiger, the call up can get mangled many different ways (Tiger, Grumman or American). Problem with the last one is they'll say "American 360 turn heading blah blah blah" and you figure it's for an airliner ... only been called a Cheetah once.
     
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    I was flying my Cheetah near Redding, California, several summers ago, while wildfires were being battled in the nearby mountains. Redding is a base for firefighting aircraft, and in those days, a number of exotic Grumman warbird types were being used. ATC was careful to ask me, "Say type Grumman ... "
     
  5. iamtheari

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    I don't get it. Is there a significant performance difference between these two?

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  6. Pilawt

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    Nah, more like this:

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  7. JustinD

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    The only difference is the top requires a tail dragger endorsement. Once airborne though they both handle the same and have the same takeoff, climb, cruise and landing performance
     
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    Well, seeing that the Grumman Avenger is a foam r/c model, yes!!
     
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    Cruise speeds might be similar but the Avenger climbs faster, flys further and goes much higher than a Tiger. Handling is two fisted vs light controls of a Tiger. They called it a "Turkey" for a reason.
     
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    I hate to disappoint, but in a world of 250-KT airplanes, ATC doesn't notice a 20-KT difference between an Arrow and an Archer, or a Skylane and Skyhawk. If someone calls themselves an Archer, I try to call them Archer, but on a busy sector, the strip says "P28A" and I know you're going to go about half-fast with regards to the jet traffic in the area. How pilots fly these airplanes varies just as much as the different types....how many pilots fly 100 knots to a 2-mile final and how many slow to 65 at the final approach fix? That is what ATC cares about.
     
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    I call the 'kota a kota because I don't want the controller thinking its a lowly cherokee (which it is of course).

    Murphey and I had this conversation on frequency with a Colorado Springs controller. There were three cherokees traveling from FTG to PUB for lunch and the controller actually mentioned something about the kota actually being a cherokee.
     
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    I call my P28B a Dakota and most ATC guys call me Dakota too.
     
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    I fly an Archer and I always call up as "Archer xxxxxxxx". It's about 50/50 whether I keep being called Archer or get changed to Cherokee... I just listen for the N number. My theory has always been unique identifiers are better than common ones but it probably doesn't make much difference.

    For clarity I know we prefer an identifier that tells what kind of aircraft we are, but I was always under the impression you could use whatever and ATC could change it to whatever. So hypothetically one could be Monkey 1 if I know what I'm talking about and now want to use/hear on the radio someday.
     
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    The King Air 350 is a B35B on the controller's strip (or at least used to be)...had a buddy flying a 350 that was frequently called a Bonanza, even in the flight levels at 300+ knots ground speed.

    When I was flying Falcons, I had an approach controller that kept calling me a Citation...when he finally gave me a freq change, I responded with, "Roger, GROUND CONTROL,...."

    He chuckled and apologized. ;)
     
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    Should be B350/ for a King Air and BE35/ for a Bonanza.
     
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    Mighta' been a BE3B...been a long time.
     
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    Both ATC and I both use "Twin Cessna" and that covers all the Cessna piston twins. If they need the type they'll ask... :yes:
     
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    In the grand scheme of things there really isn't much of a difference when comparing Piper models with each other (outside of a cub or the like). Same with the Cessna family.
     
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    They're going to be pretty miffed if I start saying "twin Cessna" for my Arrow :)
     
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    Could be worth a chuckle or two...:yes: I did get "Twin Arrow" one time while flying a Seminole (PA44)...:goofy:
     
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    Technically, for many years the Arrow was part of the Cherokee line. I used to have a 1975 Arrow, and the manual and all documentation said "Cherokee Arrow". If your point is that some controllers ignore the Arrow - yep - happened to me too.
     
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    It's rare to hear one call the company 404 a "Titan" as opposed to "Twin Cessna." And most of the time we are getting called out to other traffic if we aren't called "Twin Cessna" we magically gain pressurization and get called a 421. Must be the GTSIO's.
     
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    If a controller wants to keep calling my 172 a "Skywagon" or "Stationair" or "Centurion" I don't mind (and am a little flattered). But if he/she calls me out as traffic to somebody else, I don't want the other pilot to be looking for the wrong kind of airplane.

    All PA-28s and PA-32s were "Cherokees" though the 1977 model year -- even the PA-32R-300 had "Cherokee Lance" painted on the cowl. The "Cherokee" part of the name was dropped at the end of 1977 on all models, except on the fixed-gear PA-32, which continued as "Cherokee Six" for 1978. For 1979, its last year, it was just "Piper Six 300".
     
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    If you're looking from traffic, I don't think you'll be able to tell the difference between a 172, 182, Stationair, etc up at altitude. Maybe your eyes are better than mine. All I really care is if the traffic a low wing or high wing or jet or prop. Same thing with Pipers. I probably can't tell the difference between and Arrow, Warrior, Archer, Saratoga, etc. I guess if I looked hard enough for the landing gear I could maybe get a better idea about the plane.
     
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    I got news for ya folks. Most controllers aren't pilots. Most controllers wouldn't know a PA28 from a RV-7 let alone what they are called, especially this younger generation of controllers. I've even heard one of these kids give traffic as "a Cessna type" and I cringe. All they look at is your speed on the radar to figure out where to sequence you to the pattern. I've been called Cherokee, Piper, Arrow, and November. I don't care as long as it ends in six zero uniform and I'll pay attention.
     
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    Usually I just let them call me whatever they want. Experimental.. twin cessna... But if someone asks...

    "Say type airplane again"

    "Globe Swift. Identifier Golf Charlie One. Single engine piston, cruise about 145 knots"