Is there a "correct" call sign for the PA-28R?

Discussion in 'Change to my Frequency...' started by iamtheari, Nov 16, 2016.

  1. Checkout_my_Six

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    Full diclosure....I have a lil bit of time in an Arrow...and owned a "Cherokee" Six. Both go bout the same speeds. And in either plane was I ever asked to slow to approach speeds.


    Not to be confused with Bonanza speeds. :D
     
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    Yeah, RV works great. But you're right about FF...they want to know the exact model. I rarely use "Experimental" before RV...I understand the only time it's absolutely required is on initial contact with the tower.
     
  3. Checkout_my_Six

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    so....when you tell em it's a "David Leroy Van's RV-6"....what do they say?
     
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    Some folks substitute "Red and White Cessna" when they're in the pattern. Any opinions on that technique?
     
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    Thats very good to verify. At that time you should begin using your full call sign. The controller is required to do it, but even if they don't, I'd highly recommend you do. With emphasis. Don't rely on just the make and model.
     
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    I have a good friend that does this. When I first started flying with him it drove me nuts but I kept quiet about it since I didn't see any harm. Now I'm used to him saying it and actually find it pretty useful. Some people fly a 172 110 knots on the pattern while other people fly 182s 90 knots in the pattern, model isn't really important, color, that helps
     
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    Call signs (other than to differentiate between two planes) are by and large useless for traffic reports. Blue Navion is going to be a whole lot better than N5327K. Of course, certain things like "yellow cub" are kind of confusing if there is more than one in the pattern.
     
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    I fly a PA32 Saratoga and occasionally referred to as a Cherokee Six by ATC. I don't think it makes much difference as long as speed and build type are comparable. As mentioned before it's relatively important to the other traffic in the area that may be looking for you. As someone mentioned before a Citation and a Skyhawk are going to have some significant differences of speed during an approach / pattern. This could be HUGE for saying Cherokee 1234 you are 2nd in line behind the Citation on 3 mile final vs the Skyhawk on 3 mile final.

    I was flying into Tulsa a couple months ago and when I got handed off to Tower the new controller just called me cherokee as opposed to Saratoga. When he was talking to the SW airline 737 he said "there's a cherokee that is @ ...." No way in hell did it matter to that SW airline guy if I was a Cherokee 140 or an Arrow or a Saratoga for the matter. However, you slice it I was a little guy that needed to get where I was going and out of his way.
     
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    I had an RV-4 and I have instructed and flown all you listed and I agree %100.
     
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    Then there are us Mooney people. We all pretty much are just Mooney XXXXX. Despite a very great speed and capability range. That said we all do look alike ;)

    I think it matters most to tower controllers and in the pattern to help with visual identification. Those with radar can see our (blazing fast) ground speeds!


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    fast little people.....:lol:
     
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    TMI. :D
     
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    Except Al Mooney was 6'5 and our cockpits are wider by a smidge than cherokees or bonanzas ;)


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    An Arrow is a type of Cherokee.
     
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    no kiddin' ;)

    but you're not talkin' about the arrows that the Cherokees used right :biggrin:
     
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    and some PA-32's are Cherokees too....:D
     
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    A arrow compared to a Cherokee 140, calling both the same "Cherokee", that's like calling a 152 and a 182 the same thing.

    I identify my plane as an "amphib" vs a skywagon, figure a controller might wonder why I'm 30kts slower than he pictured outer wise.
     
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    Respectfully, C152s and C182s are both commonly referred to as "Cessnas" despite their difference in performance.
     
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    Same....hell, in my lance cooking along at 160 they still call me Cherokee.
     
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    wow.....and that's almost Cirrus speeds. :eek:
     
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    Turbos do have an advantage sometimes. If I ran it full rental power, it will be 170 ish at almost 30 GPH.

    I was landing at Flagler a few weeks ago and it was the first time I was told "you are overtaking a Cherokee to your right by 60+ knots. " They resequenced me to #1

    I was grinning ....
     
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    yup....I get that in the Bonanza now and again. :lol:
     
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    And the Mooney guy just smiles to himself lol


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    Whilst he is chaffing his shoulder on one side by the fuselage and the other by the passenger who is also in the same predicament. :p
     
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    Except a Mooney is wider than a PA28 ;)

    PA28 42 inches
    Bonanza 42 inches
    M20 43.5 inches


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    Ya unit74 check your facts dude. It's wider than most. Now if u told me you sit it it like a corvette close to the floor Id agree, but 164kts on 10gph is pretty cool


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    BAM! :rofl:
     
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    The above are measured at the elbow. I bet at eye level the Mooney is no wider than the others, because of the more semi-circular cross-section of the upper fuselage. And in the pre-'J' models, the windshield is much closer to the pilot's face.
     

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    I always tell myself that I'm going to start using Oshkosh rules at uncontrolled fields. "Yellow high wing" or "green and white low wing" are a lot more useful to people looking for the airplane that's talking than anything else. But then I forget to do it and go back to the call sign habit we are all taught to use.
     
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    Yeah. I like to say "RV N*****" on the initial call-up about 10 miles out; after that it's "red RV." Saves some syllables.
     
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    I'm a lance driver son..... That's a PA 32. I can play shuffle board in the cockpit and not hit the copilot with the stick.
     
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    When my kids get big it's Saratoga time. But I don't look forward to the fuel burn, and loss of speed :(


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    And what facts would those be? Apparently all three of you completely missed that I was talking about PA32s, NOT 28'S......


    BAM==== Ball in your court with some heat on it and a little spin you straighten y'all out.
     
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    I used "yellow Cub" at the uncontrolled home drome when I had a ... er, yellow Cub. But these days, "white Skyhawk with brown and orange trim" isn't quite as helpful, so I use the reg number.

    :p
     
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    That's where I'm at. Unit74, party of five.....bring around the Lance and leave the RV in the stable........
     
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    I had a nice tailwind the other day going to KCUB. I called myself Cessna, controller kept calling me a Skylane. After he pointed me out to other traffic (traffic at your x o clock, a Skylane), I corrected saying I'm a 150. He laughed, said ok I'll downgrade you and said he'll call me "turbo Cessna" from now on :)
     
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    Is that like the Pixar movie whee the snail is named Turbo?


    Next time I call up I might say Turbo Cherokeeeeee!!!!
     
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    I love messing with ATC. Since Airbus bought Eurocopter now I call in and Identify myself as an Airbus.
     
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    135?
     
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