Is it possible to be a part time airline pilot?

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  1. Jah-Christo Decembre

    Jah-Christo Decembre Pre-Flight

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    I want to work for an airline but not full time, is that possible?
     
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    Yes...per se. How I understand it, and, I don't understand a whole lot, once you're in, you can do the bare minimum to stay active and have a side gig. I know of a couple FOs that are also nurses/PAs. Just don't expect to be promoted. On the other side of the spectrum, i know captains with seniority that work a week out of the month and do a myriad of things the rest of the time.

    How that works specifically i'm not sure. Others can chime in/correct me.
     
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    You can bid minimum guarantee, which is the minimum number of hours per month you're required to be paid per the collective bargaining agreement at your airline. However, there is no guarantee (no pun intended) you'll get it. It will depend upon your seniority. Just before COVID19, pilots were bidding minimum and still being scheduled for way over. Right now, pretty much every airline pilot could be said to be "part time".
     
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    Normally, no. Right now all bets are off with the Wuhan virus but since many carriers are not hiring that’s a moot point. If you were to get hired at UPS or Fedex, the answer would be no.
     
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    As I believe you are thinking “part time”, NO.
    Once you get some seniority to pick and manipulate your schedule, you can probably incorporate other interests.... if that’s what you are talking about.

    But a part time airline pilot.... NO.
     
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    If you want to work part time as a baggage handler or gate agent, maybe.
     
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    Define what you mean by “part time.”

    What are you trying to accomplish?
     
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    You owe the company at least the minimum guarantee, usually 64-80hrs a month depending on the airline. Whatever you do on your off time is your own business. It'll take you a while to build enough seniority to be able to bid a decent schedule. The answer to your question is, no. You'll be a full-time employee with said airline.

    However, I have heard that Planesense (91k) has part-time positions available. I have no idea what the fine print is, though.
     
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    I believe there are some airline pilots that are now working part time; waiting/hoping to get their full time jobs back.
     
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    Where I flew before retirement you could bid a normal schedule then give away all your flying to other pilots, the only requirement was that you maintain your 90 day landing currency. The only issue would be if other pilots were willing or legal to pick up your flying.
     
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    Again, it really depends on what your definition of “part time” is and what you are trying to accomplish. Most airline jobs have you working 12-15 days a month. The rest are free. Is it a M-F, 8-12 part time job? No. But you have large chunks of time off away from work.

    Also (airline depending) you can give away/trade most of your trips to work as little as you want. I know guys who work like a dog and fill their schedule with work almost every day for 3 months, bank the extra money and take whole months off in the summer to vacation or in the winter to ski. This is in addition to their regular vacation.

    it’s not for everyone, but I’ve found it to be a very flexible job that allows me to massage my schedule to fit my lifestyle.
     
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    so your not one of those top reserve guys that can really work the system then.......I wish i could figure that out, i alwas seem to be over fifty a month on LC.
     
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    Well right now,I think there are probably quite a few part timers.
     
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    No literal part-time statutory status, but de facto part-time can be attained. It depends on the specific work contracts, which vary airline to airline. Some are more poised than others to empower a junior or middle of the road seniority guy to be able to drop or give away flying with any level of consistency. Senior guys of course are not germane to this discussion. If we could all be senior from day one this wouldn't be a question.

    In general, given the median mainline pilot is a primary-payer type, an overstaffed airline is much more prime for a min runner type to be able to give away trips (basically a form of trade), since your peers are chomping at the bit to grab any additional work left on the table. Assuming the work rules are there to allow it of course. Ditto for those airlines which have work rules that allow straight dropping to X credit (even zero credit), provided that there is coverage (again, overstaffing is stipulated). This also further depends on the actual base, seat and equipment, which itself has differing staffing levels intra-airline.

    IOW, too many factors to say for sure, and staffing levels unfortunately fluctuate, so it's a moving target. I suppose the most reliable way to predict the viability of min-running, is asking about the work rules regarding trip drop or trip giveback/away to the company, and of course, staffing levels.
     
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    Many airline folks have side hustles, but the other job should have some flexibility about when you're required to be 'in the office'. Even as a junior guy it wasn't hard to have 16+ days off per month, but it wasn't always possible to choose when those days would be. The ideal situation is a side gig that requires nothing more than a laptop and internet connection - that way you can also be productive while you're out on a trip.

    Not my cup of tea, though. Too damned lazy for that crap!
     
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