How do I use my Mac....I'm dumb.

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    Well, I took the Dell I configured and tried my best to match the Macbook. I might be able to live with the base model.

    Add ons are:
    RAM to 4GB $135
    Hard Drive to 320GB 7200RPM $135
    iWork $49
    Final Cut Express $179 (I currently use Pinnacle Studio $100)
    Aperature 2 $179 (I currently use Paintshp Pro $100)
    Miniport to DVI & VGA $58
    Modem $44
    AppleCare $239

    I know that I just didn't expect a factor of 2.5-3.

    Joe
     
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    Mike,

    How about a list?

    I am struggling with this decision.

    Joe
     
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    Yipes! Something ain't comparable there... First thing I see is the video card. The MacBook Pro actually has two - The higher-end one can be turned off to save battery power. The lower-end one STILL kicks the crap out of the one the Dell has (Intel graphics is junk).

    I'm going to try configuring them to be as alike as I can.

    Alike:
    * 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo, 3MB Cache
    * 4GB RAM
    * 320GB HD at 5400 RPM
    * Bluetooth
    * Built-in camera

    Different:
    * Mac's 1066MHz frontside bus, Dell 800MHz
    * Mac's 1440x900 display, Dell 1280x800
    * Mac's NVidia GeForce 9600M GT *and* 9400M video, Dell's Intel X3100. This is a HUGE difference.
    * Mac is stoutly built out of metal
    * Mac is 0.3" wider but is smaller in every other dimension, and lighter too
    * Mac has a backlit keyboard, very nice for working in dark environments!
    * Bunch of other stuff

    Unknown:
    * Dell has a "6 cell" or "9 cell" battery option, but no specs. MacBook Pro has a 50 watt hour battery.
    * Sound hardware - Not sure which of Dell's options the Mac is comparable to

    Really, they're just not comparable computers. And BTW, you must have messed something up to get $3202 for the Mac. I get $2,249. Did you configure a 17-inch Mac or something???

    All right, I'm gonna try again with a more comparable Dell model... In the next post.
     
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    Money saving tip #1: Do not buy RAM upgrades from Apple. It's usually significantly cheaper to buy 3rd-party and DIY. Though they do appear to have improved somewhat...

    Did you add in Microsoft Office on the Dell? It's not included and costs a lot more than iWork.

    What do you need to do? iMovie is included for free. Not sure what level of program Pinnacle Studio is.

    Aperture is a high-end photo program. It's not like Paintshop at all, I don't think. A comparable program is Adobe Lightroom, a $299 program.

    Most likely, everything you need to do with your digital photos can be done in iPhoto, which is included (again) for free.

    A WHAT??? ;)

    I thought I might miss my modem when I upgraded from the PowerBook to the MacBook Pro. I was wrong. WiFi is so ubiquitous - And web pages so slow on 56K - that I've been just fine without it.

    If you add all those things above, you need to add them to the Dell as well. I don't think it had a modem by default either, for example.
     
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    Nick, I think if you enable the "Use F1, F2, etc. as function keys" in the Keyboard control panel that they will. That's kind of an odd oversight, since the Home and End don't do anything else (like the volume, etc. that the F-keys do) so I'm not sure why they (I'm assuming) lumped them in with the function keys.

    Try it out, and report back! I'm curious.
     
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    Okay, better comparison, or at least as good as I can find right now: The higher-end MacBook Pro 15" vs. the Dell Precision M4400. I've tried to include some of the extras Joe was looking at.

    Alike:
    * 2.53 GHz Core 2 Duo with 1066MHz FSB
    * 15.4" LED-backlit display at 1440x900
    * NVidia graphics card with 512MB VRAM
    * 4GB RAM (for some reason Dell is using 800MHz RAM instead of 1066... WTF???)
    * Bluetooth
    * 802.11n WiFi
    * Backlit keyboard
    * Integrated camera and microphone
    * 3 year service plan

    Different:
    * Mac's iWork vs. Dell's MS Office Basic
    * MacBook includes a lot of useful software
    * Apple has many retail stores where you can get assistance (and they are PRIMO at it - Apple understands that the user experience is more than just a pretty OS and they go to a lot of effort to ensure that their store employees are extremely well-trained, friendly, and leave a smile on your face.)
    * Apple has actual living breathing Americans answering their support phones
    * There were a few "questionable" options on the Dell that I did not include. For example, they have a system to move your old stuff to your new machine for $25. Apple's Migration Manager is free on every Mac, and if you're upgrading from a PC you can bring your PC into the store and they'll do it for you, again for free. So there's some less tangible benefits to the Mac as well.

    Prices: Mac came out to $2947, Dell to $2639. Most of the difference is that Apple's extended warranty costs more.
     
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    Negative. LOL. Home and End are chaff, apparently :D
     
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    Hmmm - I still don't have to eat my words ;)
     
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    Lots of good stuff Kent, thanks.

    To address some of your points:

    The dell I configured has 2 9-cell batteries. They are 85 WHr (took some digging to find the spec)

    I thought the $49 iWork would be similar in functionality to MS Works (POS I know) but I use Open Office mostly now anyway.

    I don't know if I really need Aperture and Final Cut Express but I do use those kinds of programs a lot preparing talks and I didn't add the cost of new versions for the PC.

    The dell does have a modem and the only times I've used one in the last few years were at FBOs in the boonies that don't have their own Internet access and to send faxes to Luddites that don't have email.

    I did select the 15" MacBook. The 2 configurations are attached.

    I agree the higher buss speed, smaller footprint and the other things you mentioned make the Mac a better engineered product. I'm just not convinced it is worth the money. Remember every dollar not spent on computers goes into the flying budget.

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    Maybe Dell just has lower end systems, and I'm comparing low end Dells with high end Macs.

    When buying computers for my business I needed performance because I would demo our software on them, and the market demanded Windows.

    Now I just need to get the job done.

    Thanks for working with me on this.

    Joe
     
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    Joe,

    Looking through my apps, here's what was free with the machine, in alphabetical order. Note that these are full-featured apps, not "demo versions." There may be a demo version of MS Office and/or iWork, but all of the apps I've listed below are full versions, not bloatware.

    * Address Book (full-featured, integrates with Mail and other apps)

    * AppleScript - For scripting! ;)

    * Automator - Another tool to automate your common workflows, only easier than AppleScript as it's not a programming language. The two can work together also.

    * Calculator - Duh. ;)

    * Dashboard - This runs many free "widgets". You can enable it with a hot corner, F-key, or whatever. Apple has a site where you can find widgets, and a couple dozen are included. I use the weather, dictionary, etc. ones quite frequently.

    * Dictionary - This is the application, not the widget. Not sure of the source dictionary, but it's a very good one. The widget has a thesaurus as well, so I assume the app does too but due to the existence of the widget I rarely use the app.

    * DVD Player - Duh. ;)

    * Font Book - Wow, I never saw this before but it's by Apple. Appears to group your fonts, shows the various characters, etc... I'm really not sure what all this is capable of because I'm pretty sure I've never opened it! LOL

    * Front Row - This is a program that you generally would use with the Apple Remote should you choose to spend the $20 to get one. You can sit across the room or whatever, and watch DVD's or downloaded movies, show pictures from iPhoto, play music out of iTunes, watch TV shows from iTunes, etc.

    * GarageBand - Multi-track music application. You can record tracks of music you play (though I recommend plugging a mic into the sound in port rather than using the built-in mic), and you can easily create tracks using a USB or MIDI keyboard and the dozens of built-in instruments, or you can use the hundreds of included "Loops" to easily make yourself a backup band. I've made all of the various Pilotcast intro/outro/interlude announcements and themes with this. In fact, I'll attach an MP3 of a song I made without ever playing a single note.

    * GraphicConverter - This opens and saves basically every graphic format there is, and has many editing tools. Joe, between iPhoto and this, you should be set for your graphics needs and never miss PaintShop Pro.

    * iCal - Calendar app. Multiple calendars, can set alerts for events that will appear even if the program is closed, synchronize with online calendars via MobileMe, and subscribe to calendars published online (for example, I subscribed to a "US Holidays" calendar so that they're automatically shown.)

    * iChat - This is a chat client that works with AIM and also works through the "Bonjour" auto-networking features of the Mac OS should you have them enabled, so you can chat with others on your LAN without using AIM as well.

    * iDVD - This is a DVD mastering program, so you can make DVD's out of your iMovie creations.

    * iMovie - Video editing software.

    * iPhoto - Import (from files or digital camera), catalog, sort, rate, geo-tag, categorize, and edit your photos. Now has facial recognition built in, so you can search for all pictures of a specific person!

    * iSync - Synchronizes Address Book contacts, iCal events, etc. to mobile devices OTHER than the iPhone.

    * iTunes - You should be pretty familiar with this, but... It plays MP3, AAC, AIFF, and a number of other audio formats, purchases songs/movies/TV shows/etc from the iTunes store, synchronizes your iPods and iPhones, etc.

    * iWeb - Visual web page app. Being a geek, I've only opened it once out of curiosity so I'm not sure what all it can really do.

    * Mail - E-mail and to-do list app. Recognizes various formats of things - for example, if someone sends you their snail mail address, it will be recognized as a snail mail address and you can click and add it to Address Book. Same with phone numbers and e-mail addresses. Dates can be added to iCal. etc.

    * OmniGraffle - Kind of like Visio.

    * OmniOutliner - Outlining program. Mike uses this one a lot more than I do, I think.

    * Photo Booth - A fun quirky program to use with the built-in camera - Has all kinds of interesting effects that can be applied in real time ("Comic Book", mirror, B&W or Sepia, etc.) Fun to play with, probably not all that useful.

    * Preview - A graphics and PDF viewer that is WAY faster than Acrobat Reader.

    * QuickBooks - Yes, the accounting package. This is the "New User Edition" not "Pro" but if you don't need payroll, it works just fine. I've been using it for the flying club finances for several years now.

    * Safari - Web browser

    * Stickies - Basically, electronic post-it notes for your screen. There's also a widget to put the same style of notes into your Dashboard.

    * Time Machine - THE easiest-to-use backup solution EVER. Plug an external hard drive in for the first time, and the Mac will ask "Do you wish to use this hard drive for time machine backups?" Click "yes" and it will automatically back up your hard drive every hour. It saves the backups every hour for the past 24, every day for the past month, and every week basically forever (or until you fill up the backup drive). You can configure it to not back up certain things if you want, but it's so ridiculously easy to set up, I actually use it. On a laptop, it'll automatically back up whenever you plug the external drive in, and it'll warn you if you haven't plugged the drive in in the last 10 days (I think it warns you once every 10 days - One warning on day 10, one on day 20, one on day 30, etc.)

    In the Utilities folder, there are a bunch of geeky goodies. Terminal, of course, which gives you the UNIX command line. Activity Monitor which is kind of like the unix top command but much easier to read and with more data available. There's a very good 2D/3D graphing calculator program called "Grapher". There's some other things in there too.

    Note that I think a couple of these may no longer be on the newest Macs, so if you think one of the above will make or break your decision, be sure to double-check that they're still including it.

    Phew! I think I got it all. Wow - I had forgotten how much software is included!
     
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    Weird! Do they work as intended when you hold down the fn key as John suggested? :dunno:

    The other thing you could do with them - Well, go into System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Keyboard Shortcuts. From there, you can assign them to do whatever the hell you want. I think it would be sensible to make the "Home" key your dedicated X-Plane launcher key, for example. ;)

    Not this time - But if you were to dig up that thread you'd find that you didn't believe ANY Mac could be cheaper than ANY comparable Dell, and you'll also find that I was easily able to refute that. ;)
     
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    Okay - So add the price of a 9-cell battery to my other comparison to make them comparable.

    Actually, iWork is WAY better than Works. It's meant as a replacement for Office. It includes three apps, I think: Pages (instead of Word), Numbers (instead of Excel), and Keynote (instead of PowerPoint). All three work well with their Office analogues and can open/save Office files. They've got some great features, too - My favorite is the "slider" feature in Numbers. You can make a cell into a slider rather than just a specific value. For example, in my airplane-budgeting spreadsheet, I have sliders for fuel price (goes from $3.00/gal to $6.00/gal in 5-cent increments), hours flown per year (0-200 in 5-hour increments), and a couple others. Then, rather than entering various test values to see what my cost per hour should be, I can just drag these sliders back and forth and the entire spreadsheet is recalculated in real time. Very slick!

    By "preparing talks" I assume you mean presentations, a la PowerPoint with lots of graphics and such? iWork (Keynote, specifically) plus the included apps will do everything you need.

    I opened the Mac one and all the text was garbled so I'm still not sure where the big price difference is. I think it's that I didn't include any software or AppleCare (on the first one).

    Ouch! You stab at my heart! I hate to tell a person they should fly less! :eek:
     
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    Whoops, forgot the attachment. Here it is.
     

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    Courtesy of my daughter. At the same time Apple, Shift 3. This will take a screen shot and put the icon for it on your desktop.
     
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    Yup. Command-shift-3 will take a full-screen shot. Command-shift-4 will give you a pair of cross-hairs to select a portion of the screen for a shot. You'll find the PNG file on your desktop, named "Picture 1" or "Picture 2" etc. in sequence. That's how I got the shots in an earlier post.
     
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    You forgot that you can make a pdf of any screen!
    File
    Print
    Print as PDF (bottom left of print box)
     
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    I got lost reading this entire post, but, to get to the desktop use FN(function) f11.
    Sorry if this was answered previously.
     
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    For one: You'll have iMovie and iDVD. You likely won't need Final Cut Express. The new version of iMovie is getting great review as being BETTER than Final Cut and easier to use. That's $100 there. iDVD is Nero ($60?).

    The rest, like iPhoto, Garage Band, Address Book, iCal, are real, full featured, useful programs, not "Select" or "Special Editions" designed to ask for your credit card number.

    You'll need an Office Suite. Use Open Office for free. (That's not Mac vs. Windows)
     
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    What Kent said , but you should get the Remote in the package. I got one with my Macbook Pro.

    I can and have used my MacBook as a video source on my HDTV.

    Get a DVI-HDMI cable from http://www.monoprice.com and BTW, a mini-TOSlink to TOSlink cable for OPTICAL DIGITAL 5.1 Dolby audio. It's a hidden secret that the "headphone" jack is also a fiber optic digital audio port.
     
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    You DO NOT want to mess with me on this, having just gone through the 20 minute sacrifice ritual to get dual monitors to work on my new Windows laptop. It occurred to me that if a co-worker asks me how to do it after I did it - I can't tell them. Just click, toggle and pray for an hour and a miracle happens.

    Lesseee...1: Monitor, 2: Display Identify They're both 1. 1: Display 2: Monitor. Identify They're both one. Make primary. No Make Primary extend desktop. Use this? Make primary. Properties->Advanced-Settings Control Panel-Display. Graphics Driver. Die. Die. Die.

    On a Mac? Plug in the monitors and go to display on System Prefereneces and set the arrangement.
     
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    Oh yea!!

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    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    I find editing easier in FCE than iMovie. FCE gives me more control.
     
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    Andy Ihnatko just gave glowing reviews to the new iMovie 09 saying it's now intuitive and as powerful as Final Cut. Remember the last version was pretty much a first attempt on a new code base.
     
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    CTRL+A did something but I don't remember what it was. I guess I am old!

    You must have had the cheap PDP-8. We had a whole 16K shared between 4 teletype machines & I figured how to configure most of that memory for one teletype. It was also magnetic core memory- it would shut down on a power outage and pick up where it left off when the power came back up. Not like these modern little computers that loose everything when Li-Ion the battery catches on fire!
     
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    Wow, you guys got me to thinking. I currently have 2 Dell laptops, one is 5 years old and the other 3 years old. I'm now thinking of replacing the older of the two with the 20" iMac. Haven't decided which processor to get, but i'm researching. I was at best buy today messing around with them. With about 30 mins of wasting time, I think I like it. Hmm...
     
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    Ummm... Okay, I've gotta put a disclaimer to the above.

    The "new" (08) version of iMovie kind of ticked a lot of people off, myself included. It is EXTREMELY easy to use, but they kind of lobotomized it in the process. One guy wrote it from the ground up one weekend as a video archival program with super-easy editing, and Steve saw it and said "That's the new iMovie."

    There are certain things you cannot do in the new iMovie - For example, detailed audio editing (though I think you can still do movie tracks in GarageBand instead). But things like I did here (specifically, matching frames to the music track) can no longer be done as easily in the "new" iMovie:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAx0UVZ75xc
    (BTW, just put this on YouTube today, don't know why that green video glitch is there... Techies? What say you?)

    Luckily, you can now download the "old" iMovie for free if you have the new one, so this isn't a big problem, just something you need to be aware of. That said, if you just want to piece together chunks of video and add a music track, you can still do that. Most people still don't need Final Cut Express, and Final Cut Express is gonna have a much larger learning curve.
     
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    OBTW - These comments are based on the iLife '08 version of iMovie. I haven't played with the new-new one (from iLife '09) yet. Off to read Andy Inhatko's review...
     
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    But did they put back the things they that were in iMovie 06 and left out of iMovie 08?
     
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    Gaah. That's a link to Apple's iMovie site.

    Here's a link to Andy Inhatko's review. He's not as big of a name as David Pogue or Walt Mossberg, but I've been reading his stuff for 20 years or more, and find that I pretty much always agree with him.

    Unfortunately, I have a meeting to go to, so I'll have to actually read the review later on.
     
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    Holy crap! Disregard what I said about iMovie earlier - They not only made it possible to once again do what I did in the video above, they made it WAAAAAAY easier! Wow.

    Also, they added a really good image stabilization feature - As in, better than the one in Final Cut Pro, which I've played with in the past. Check out the difference:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ3cVJuX-oQ

    (This looks a lot better if you click the link and watch it on YouTube as it's in "widescreen" mode there, so it's not quite so crushed like it is here.)
     
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    Dude, you are soooo last week. The new version is iMovie '09 in iLife '09.

    Obviously Apple is continuously working on the iLife apps. I dunno if I like it better that they keep making better versions and charging $79 for them, but I guess it's better than Microsoft's method of making fixes and improvements at a snail's pace and putting the fixes out for free (as does Apple) but making the new versions $400-$700 every few years. By iLife '11 I might spring for the $79. :D
     
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    I can't believe I missed this thread... So I'll answer the original question:

    Install Windows.
     
  35. Bob Noel

    Bob Noel Touchdown! Greaser!

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    >I can't believe I missed this thread

    wow, it's about time the shoe dropped. :)
     
  36. gibbons

    gibbons En-Route

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    My hero.
     
  37. Areeda

    Areeda Pattern Altitude

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    Another question.

    What version of Java do the new MacBook Pro ship? I need 1.6.x for current projects.

    Joe
     
  38. jmaynard

    jmaynard Cleared for Takeoff

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    The current version in OS X 10.5.6 is Java 1.5.0_16.
     
  39. jesse

    jesse Touchdown! Greaser!

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    Are you sure Jay? Mine has both. Java 1.5 is the default symlinked in /usr/bin but 1.6 is also installed.

     
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  40. mikea

    mikea Touchdown! Greaser! Gone West

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    1.6 is in the free Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 2:
    http://developer.apple.com/java/
     
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