Guess who had an engine failure...

Discussion in 'Aviation Mishaps' started by flyingron, Sep 17, 2022.

  1. flyingron

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    I'll get the popcorn going.
     
  2. Brad Z

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    Video unavailable. I'm going to guess Harrison Ford.
     
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    Close - right State - think "secondary minimums"
     
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    Honestly, a precautionary shutdown on a 421 should be a yawner unless he’s going to left traffic.
     
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    I wonder who he’ll blame for it….
     
  6. jsstevens

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    Did he notice or was he too busy talking to the camera/whoever was in the cockpit?
     
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  7. Nathan Hyland

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    I’m out of the loop. Why do we dislike Wagner?
     
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    Breaking out of the clouds at a 60 degree bank blown past intercept and 30 degrees off course?

    Lots more really
     
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    Love it. Thanks.
     
  10. dmspilot

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    He was assigned a "hold as published" once, he made up his own hold with turns in the opposite direction, and an inbound leg that was 90° from the correct radial. But he was busy and the hold that he made up was "almost identical" to the published hold, he said in a rebuttal to criticism.
     
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    Holy ****. Dude thinks he’s the main character in everyone’s story, you can tell.

    Where’s the video of that?
     
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    a whole lot more
     
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    Does it make me a bad person that I had a whole list I was kind of hoping it was?
     
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    kinda
     
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    Well, how’d it come out? What happened? Did he do something dumb that made the engine quit?
     
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    When I saw the thread and who started it I figured it was you.
     
  17. dmspilot

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    This is the rebuttal video, not sure which video he actually did the hold, probably one or two before this.


    Screen capture of him showing the published hold, and his approximated flight track in red. Yes that's right, he drew this himself to defend that he did the hold "pretty darn close" to properly — if left is pretty darn close to right, and if south is pretty darn close to west.

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    Was it me.??
     
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    Only unavailable for embedded viewing. Probably a good thing that the content can’t ever be mistaken for the many reputable websites it gets linked from.
     
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    lost #3 cylinder on left engine. Shut it down, declared emergency, diverted, and landed without incident.

    I am not a ME pilot so the only critique I’ll make is he should have unplugged his wife’s headset.
     
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    I haven’t watched the video yet but I have seen some of his other artistic works. Are you sure you didn’t mean to say that his wife should have unplugged his headset?
     
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    This flight they both ran their mouths. You can’t blame her, she followed his example well, asking him questions on short final with an engine out.
     
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    no, she was babbling and he finally had to tell her to be quiet.

    Actually, he says at the beginning he thought the cameras were off, so it is a different, straight up Jerry.
     
  24. iamtheari

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    I’m sold. Watching now…
     
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    Depends. Am I on the list? :)
     
  26. iamtheari

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    My take on the video:

    Good: He does behave better when the cameras aren’t running. He stayed calm (externally, at least). He didn’t crash.

    Bad: He checked the cameras before he got the weather. He tried to keep the ball centered when flying single-engine. He turned toward the dead engine when he was slow. He kept the autopilot on way too long. He didn’t brief his passenger on the emergency and her role in it (i.e. be quiet).

    I would say he needs recurrent training for engine out work. But he didn’t die, not even a little bit, so he now has the opportunity to get that training.
     
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    I’ll counter with good ADM to land at first suitable airport after a precautionary shutdown. Too much time jacking around with cameras. Tried to sound cool on the radio and did okay.

    Could have more clearly explained to wife why the divert, but she seemed out of the loop anyways, so just put her on ISO and deal with it in the ground.

    Didn’t crash.

    All in all, orders of magnitude improvement over tue decade or so he’s been around. Gryder should take notes.
     
  28. TrueCourse

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    I started watching it, but didn’t see filming of the actual engine failure and shutdown. Did I miss something? Or, did he select record after the failure and then comment that the video cams weren’t working?
     
  29. MooneyDriver78

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    No, and wasn’t prepared to record, so only got limited video and sound (some from liveatc).
    TL;DW. Was a non event.
     
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    My favorite part was when he keyed the mic on final and told tower “I’ve got two red and two white”.


    I’m actually surprised his subscriber base is pretty low. When he puts out a video it gets posted e v e r y w h e r e. I woulda thought that would net him quite a few more subs. Imma guess the majority of his subs are non aviation folks.
     
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    I thought he did a great job. The wife was nervous, acting like a cool cat but had to be very nervous, I'd cut her some slack. Something to be said for flying a twin with lots of horsepower.
     
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  32. LesGawlik

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    I watched the vid. He seemed to do fine.
     
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    He did tell ATC a lot more information than they needed. Maybe he just needed to hear the sound of his own voice, but I would imagine he was mostly expressing the inner need to keep talking to the person who was ostensibly there to help him through the emergency. I don’t know if ATC and 911 dispatchers get the same training for this, but people in stressful situations often just need to talk about the unstressful parts of the situation to keep the stress from spiraling out of control. I give Jerry a pass on the extraneous radio calls this time.
     
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    I liked the runway rollout on his synthetic terrain display.
     
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    Precautionary shutdown and recovery. A nothingburger that has bitten weekend warriors and paid pilots alike, he handled it fine. Not a fan of the clown (heck, he's the source of some of my better meme work in the past if I may say so ), but spade is a spade. He's gratuitously non-conservative in his IMC flying for social media effect, and one day that may bite him, but he's got good enough hands to handle a precautionary, and he did. Lord knows I've seen people with better "attitudes" have irreparably worse hands than this dude.

    The comms quip is typical cheap seat POA playa hatin', lol. As to the emergency, yes, it's a non-sequitur of a critique, who cares. Caste ye first stone type of thing. In the aggregate (social media aspect), yes, tons of extraneous discussions not germane to the recovery of the airplane. Certainly wonky and random to be throwing out PIREPs about VASI indications to tower. Remember, he's always the protagonist of his one man clown show. But that's why he's the J man and gives us something to dunk on.

    Now back to our regular tar n' feathearin' :D
     
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    Am I the only one curious who is on that list?
     
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    Lost #3, sheesh. I've lost #3 and didn't have another engine to rely on.
     
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    Not having a twin rating, I never thought about this, but is a shutdown warranted for "loss of a cylinder"?
     
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    It depends. It was the right call in this case from what I can see, since he had plenty of performance on one engine (lightly loaded unless he had full fuel and a half ton of Cuban cigars or whatever he was in Canada for, over low terrain). But if you’re over the Rockies, the seats are full, and your single engine ceiling is 6,000 feet you would want that sick engine to give you its last breath toward a safe landing, just like you would do in a single.