ForeFlight "missing" part of Minnesota!

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  1. LDJones

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    A buddy was planning a trip up to Lake of the Wood in Minnesota's Northwest Angle. He pulled out his brand, spanking new iPad Mini to plan the flight and, lo and behold, that part of Minnesota is missing!

    I checked Garmin Pilot and it is aware of all of Minnesota. He called the folks at ForeFlight and it seemed to come as a surprise. They sent him a document file with the missing portion, but obviously it's not geo-referenced for navigation purposes.

    http://www.mnaviationpro.com/2013/01/16/foreflight-missing-part-of-minnesota/
     

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    I wonder if it was a canadian programmer who is still sour about the US claiming that corner north of the 49th parallel based on a spelling error in the treaty.
     
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    I was born in this state and I didn't even know that piece of trivia. :confused:
     
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    Spelling error? I thought it was a surveying error, as the original treaty the border was to go to the Mississippi river (they thought the source was northwest).
     
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    I think I've found the key to the error. "(For continuation of the United States see side panel)"
     
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    Yep, and use of a map that was based on that theory:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Angle
     
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    So, the image is blurry, and I can't tell for sure if that's an airport at the the very northern tip of the "pimple". Is it? If so, is it in the US or Canada?
     
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    There's a private grass strip at the very northern border of the Angle. 2,400', called Northwest Angle.

    I've got several friends who fly up there all winter, land on the ice and spend the day ice fishing, then fly back to the Twin Cities. I'll have to ask if they've ever used that strip in the summer.
     
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    It's not missing; it's under the snow cover. :D
     
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    Just as an aside, there are approaches 'missing' from Garmin's databases each month and there's no notification process. I found out about this after I was cleared for an approach that I was quite familiar with. I had pulled up the current plate on foreflight but when I tried to load the approach on my G430, it was not to be found. Given that it was a LPV approach, I was unable to fly it.

    After the flight, I contacted Garmin. The rep there told me that there are a handful approaches each month that they do not load (cannot and/or will not) because of changes that they are unable to program the GPS systems for (it's not G430 specific). This particular approach, KHNZ RNAV RWY 24, is a standard T-type approach. The rep suggested the problem had to do with what the (government chart producer) sent out in the last digital file and that is may have just been an inadvertant error. Though he was aware that this particular approach was not in the current Garmin DB, he didn't know the exact details. He confirmed that there is normally no notification made to subscribers.

    Nothing like a monopoly.

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    You'd think that would be handy tidbit of information their users would like to know! :yes:
     
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    Not a spelling error, more of a misunderstanding of geography. Had Lake Ithasca been a bit further east, the northwest angle would be part of Canada.
     
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    Always check the DB for approaches you will need before departure.

    Garmin is not alone. We updated the KLN-89B approach database before a long cross country through Canada. All the Canadian airports and navaids were loaded. But none of the airports had any information, freqs, or any approaches in the DB. Glad I never needed to fly an approach. Although I did have the big thick paper book of approaches.
     
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    It's missing from SkyVector as well...

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    I'll let them know.
     
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    I guess that license from Flightp-Prep is not all that it was cracked up to be :D
     
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    Is it possible part of Minnesota was sold covertly to Canada? :D

    David
     
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    As mentioned, this was supposed to be part of Canada. Something about the US canadian border from the origin of the Missisipi to the pacific being along the 49th parallel. When they signed the treaty, they thought the origin of the Mississippi was east of Lake of the Woods. When they finally found it at Lake Ithasca, it turned out it was west of Lake of the Woods creating the Northwest angle.
     
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    Similar situation at Point Roberts, WA. Airport is 1RL, nicely maintained grass strip, a few OK places to eat within walking distance. Please don't cross the border on downwind or you'll bust Vancouver's class C.

    http://skyvector.com/airport/1RL/Point-Roberts-Airpark-Airport
     
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    If it was I'm quite sure they'd squander the proceeds on yet another sports stadium.
     
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    I looked at skyvector to see if someone had slipped in "Otisburg"

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