FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit

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  1. Henning

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    Nope (unless the changed recently), it's a sheet of paper with a perforated sector that is the "card". Kind of a tan/beige patterned paper.
     
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    You can laminate it, however.
     
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    ...although after about 40 years, even the lamination starts to erode.
     
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    It serves no purpose in aviation other than to meet treaty requirements. FCC just issues them to keep other countries happy. There's no way it should cost $60.
     
  5. poadeleted21

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    Mine is just a sheet of paper.
     
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    Back in the day, the first class radiotelephone test was probably about on par with the private pilot knowledge test in difficulty and study time. I never made it that high, but I did get a second class, which was converted to general class. My kids were amused to learn that I hold three federal licenses, pilot, radiotelephone and amateur radio. I suppose I could start selling guns and get another one...
     
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    Mine from 1987 was like that. The one I just got is just a piece of paper
     
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    Just out of curiosity, the document is called "Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit," what does "restricted" mean and is it possible to get one that's not restricted?
     
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    Sure, you can get general and technician grades as well as some specialized ones like GMDSS both operator and technician. You need to test for those though.
     
  10. MachFly

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    So the word "restricted" actually has a meaning there? It's not like the "Limiations: English Proficient" on the back of your certificate.
     
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    It's restricted to the uses listed.
     
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    Okay so mine says "none" under special conditions/endorsements. Does that mean that almost everything is restricted or nothing is restricted?
     
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    Almost everything is restricted. You can use maritime and aviation VHF & HF/SSB sets and operate a commercial radar IIRC, it's been a long time since I looked. You cannot operate Ham gear nor modify radios.
     
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    Okay makes sense, thanks.
     
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    Years ago I had a 1st Phone with Radar Endorsement. It had bragging rights hanging on the wall next to all the 2nd class tickets at work. Then the FCC took it from me upon renewal and issued a General.

    That really PO'd me big time.

    Paul
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    I didn't like it either.
     
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    From the FCC's web site:
    http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/index.htm?job=rr
     
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    I don't remember if I had to specifically ask, but on renewal I got my original First Phone back with a nig red "CANCELLED" across the front. I have it in a frame, but nowadays nobody knows what it is.

    At least the General doesn't expire.
     
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    GROL is elements 1, 3, and 8 (if you want radar endorsement)

    No radar for the RR
     
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    Getting the GROL ain't easy, whichever way ya go. And mathematically expressing impedence in polar/rectagular coordinates still gives me the heebe jeebes. I can plot it on a graph, but I can't put the formulae to work for me.
    The logic stuff is, well, just simple logic.
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    The FCC settled this issue as to whether a general radiotelephone includes a restricted radiotelephone authority. It does. 47C.F.R. 13.8
     
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    Yes, not only my GROL but also my Radiotelegraph both suffice. It's about the only thing the latter is actually good for unless I get my coast guard officer's license.
     
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    Just to update an old thread:
    It appears the fee is now $170.00.
    Unless I'm looking at the wrong thing.
     
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    That would be the GROL General Radiotelephone Operater License.
     
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    You can get the GROL or the Radiotelegraph test. Either way it is free and sufficient for any aviation use.
     
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    I don't think he's going to see your reply; he hasn't posted in two years.
     
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    Restricted is $70. Apply now, get the PDF in 24 hours.
    What a load of ********.
     
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    jim, you really need to drink better beer......
     
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    Have to agree, that’s way too much money for a rubber stamp.
     
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    Makes the RT and PG I have more attractive since they were free. The current version isn't an ornate certificate like the old ones were. My PG, RT, and Ham licenses all look identical to the restricted now save the words at the top.
     
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    Thanks to this thread, I went looking through my old billfolds and found mine. It's dog-eared, but still very legible. I think I'll have it laminated.
     
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    I think if you have an issued one, getting a duplicate copy is free. You'll have to create an account on the ULS and deal with that goofy system.

    What I find amusing is the ones watermarked "Official Copy" is the one they sent me originally (and with my address change). As long as I don't lose that PDF file, I can print as many "originals" as I want. If I go to the ULS and ask for a duplicate I get a PDF marked duplicate.
     
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