FAA is screwing over ATC - surprised?

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I am putting this here even though I'm not sure it belongs here. If an administrator would like to move it, feel free.

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Friends,

I hope you guys can download the link below. Think your airplane is
the only one up there? Think again. Notice at 30 seconds, the severe
weather (in red) covers Memphis airport, aircraft begin holding, and
the ones running out of fuel head to their alternate airports. Taking
three strings of airplanes going 400+ mph and putting them into a nice
line so you can jam them into an airport that is about to close is
quite impressive. To do it with thunderstorms takes skill, practice,
and steely nerves. I am fairly certain that this controller left
work that day with a headache. Our job is fun sometimes. This wasn't
one of them.

http://www.dauntless-soft.com/PRODUCTS/Freebies/ThunderstormFedex


Last summer, our union, NATCA, and the FAA started negotiating a new
Contract. The last one was signed in 1998. On the day before
negotiations started, the appointed head of the FAA, Marion Blakey,
used taxpayer money to fund press conferences around the country
telling the American people that their controllers are overpaid and
underworked. On April 5, Blakey took advantage of a provision that
allowed her to send her last offer to Congress. If they do not act
within 60 days, then she gets to IMPOSE her pay and work rules on Air
Traffic Controllers. Knowing this, she had NO incentive to negotiate
with us in good faith. FAA declared impasse (or stalemate) on April
5th at 3:04PM. At 5:00PM, she submitted a 300 page last-offer
document to Congress, right before they left on a two week Easter
break. So, instead of sixty days, they only had about forty six.
Smart? Maybe. Telling of her character and true 'bad faith'
intentions? Definitely. Up until 3:04, the FAA was still obligated
to negotiate in good faith by trying to reach a voluntary agreement.
While NATCA worked through the night Tuesday to offer even more pay
concessions, the FAA was instead preparing their submission to
Congress to start the 60 day clock before they left town.

On June 5, the new and unimproved work rules and pay cuts will serve
as a disincentive for retirement-eligible controllers to continue
working. There were 15,300 U.S. controllers two years ago. Under
Blakey's leadership, there are now 14,300. By 2007, 4000 controllers,
hired en masse after the 1981 strike, will be eligible to retire By
2011, over half the work force (8000) will be eligible. Five years
may seem like enough time to get ready; however, it takes about three
years to get a controller fully certified. NATCA believes pay cuts,
stricter dress codes, and other work rule changes guaranteed to lower
morale even further will exacerbate current staffing problems by
convincing veteran controllers to turn in their headsets. Speaking of
dress codes, do you care if that Memphis controller was wearing jeans
or even shorts and a golf shirt, or is it that important that he was
wearing dockers and a button down? Obviously, we like being
comfortable when we work.

What does this mean to general aviation aircraft, airlines and their
passengers? Well, take away the Dallas Cowboys' right tackle and a
wide receiver and see how many points they score. Take away the
right tire changer on a NASCAR pit crew. Send two DEA agents to bust
up a drug ring when they really need four. Cut the number of firemen
at your local firehouse by a quarter. You won't notice....unless
there's a fire. Tell the surgeon who is about to do that by-pass that
he has to work with one less nurse. Don't backfill when your
Assistant Pastor leaves and demand the Senior Pastor provide the same
level of service.

The FAA is trying to do more with less. That's an OK business model
unless, of course, your business happens to be safety. The FAA has
bragged about staffing their supervisor ranks at 100%, while the
controller ranks are staffed at about 86% and dropping, partly because
they promote their supervisors from the controller workforce. MORE
supervisors watching FEWER controllers work MORE airplanes. Makes
sense to me! For now, controllers are good enough to make it work,
but you can only stretch a rubber band so far before it snaps.

The FAA wants the public to believe this is all about money. Of
course, money is always part of any contract negotiation, but it is
also about what happens to the system if you give a large group of
controllers a disincentive to stay. Although I'd like to keep my
current salary and get the same cost of living adjustments that all
federal employees receive, my family can and will adjust to a pay cut
just like many Americans do every day; however, like all controllers,
I am forced to retire at age 56. Many people can continue earning a
good salary into their sixties. I cannot.

Controllers are NOT asking for a penny more than we get now. In
fact, in the last few days of negotiations, NATCA offered $1.4 Billion
in salary cuts over the five year contract, while the FAA "moved" from
$1.9 Billion to $1.9 Billion. Again, NATCA moved $1.4 Billion in a
desperate goodwill attempt to reach a voluntary agreement, and the FAA
moved zero. They claim they need the money for equipment upgrades.
In Texas, we have a term for that explanation, and it starts with
"bull." This is all about exerting their control over the people who
keep you safe and trying to break their union, a union by the way
which was at the forefront of every successful implementation of
equipment and procedure upgrade from 1998-2004.

On 9-11, controllers did something we've never trained for or even
discussed, the clearing of U.S. airspace. In about two hours,
controllers landed 5000 planes without a single incident. In 2005,
controllers in New Orleans worked around the clock coordinating
thousands of rescue flights even though some of them had lost their
homes. They slept whenever the could, wherever they could. In Baton
Rouge and Lafayette, controllers worked almost four times their normal
traffic levels for weeks. Controllers from Florida, Texas and across
the South took annual leave to rush to the scene bringing food, water,
portable toilets, etc. to help keep the operation going. During Rita,
Beaumont and Houston controllers stayed on duty while their families
evacuated. Time and again, controllers have come through for the
American people. Now, we need you to come through for us and your ATC
system.

If you are interested in helping...
Call 1 877 FAIR FAA. You will be connected to your Senator. Tell
them you want them to support Senate Bill 2201 which will restore
fairness to the FAA and NATCA negotiating process.



Go to http://fairfaa.com and click on "FairFAA" to send an EMail. It
might take three minutes to do both.



Senate Bill 2201 guarantees us nothing but a fair shake. It simply
says that if the two sides reach impasse and Congress does not act,
the Parties go to Binding Arbitration. It would take away the FAA's
disincentive to negotiate in good faith. There are currently a
majority of House members who have co sponsored the bill, including
about 60 Republicans; yet, under White House pressure, Speaker Hastert
refuses to allow it to come up for a vote. In the Senate Bill, we
have about 40 co-sponsors, but there are others who say they will
support it if it comes up for a vote. That is where your phone calls
can help.



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The following is a current snapshot of most of the airplanes in the
United States. Click on during a weekday late morning or afternoon.
This doesn't include VFR aircraft and most other general aviation
aircraft, which would probably add about 30%. It will give you an
idea of what is going on up there. When you are comfortably seated on
your next flight, think about us, because I can promise that we're
thinking about you.

You get from Point A to Point B safely because of professional
controllers, pilots, mechanics and other workers, not because of
Marion Blakey.

http://www.natca.org/flight-explorer/united-states.aspx



Feel free to forward this message to anyone who flies.
 
Elizabeth, while I sincerely appreciate ATC, I am also sincere about breaking all unions. The unions that were necessary 80 years ago to bring employers around have run their course.
I have scene work sites where a person had to call a union electrician just to plug in an extension cord.
Unions, IMHO, are one thing this country does not need in the 21st century. Federal labor laws have made this possible.
Just my $0.02
 
wbarnhill said:
I know it's off the topic, but just to reply to your post...

"Wal-Mart."

What do you mean? Wal-Mart provides jobs for unskilled labor and often a path into management with higher salaries and benefits.

Unions were necessary in the early 20th century when there were no checks and balances on managment. Now we have tons of restrictions, regulations and watch dog groups looking after labor in addition to the free market. Union are counterproductive to both labor and managment. Look at Ford and GM. THey have the UAW and they are failing and laying off thousands. They cannot compete with the Toyotas and Hondas that are built in right to work states in the southern U.S.
 
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kevin47881 said:
Elizabeth, while I sincerely appreciate ATC, I am also sincere about breaking all unions. The unions that were necessary 80 years ago to bring employers around have run their course.

Beth ...

I think I'm generally on the same side as you, but in this case I'm with Kevin.

My wife works an an engineer. For one large machine going to a South American country they needed signs in Spanish. She got the signs made, went down to the shop, and had to spend an hour pointing to spots on the machine where a union person had to apply the sign.

Then there was the union strike where people were blocking her car from leaving the parking lot. Or throwing things at the bus that they had to use from an alternate parking site because of the union protestors.

I've seen other similar abuses.

So, I tend to side with management in any union dispute.

Given the way the FAA is trying to stick it to GA pilots, I wouldn't be surprised that they were trying to stick it to the controllers. On the other hand, in any union dispute the union is generally trying to stick it to management. So it comes out neutral for me in this case.
 
I was shot at while taking my father to work in the western KY coal mines in the early 80s when the UMWA was trying to unionize Pyro Mining. The rifle bullet went into the front windshield and missed me by about 4". That experience generally put me into an anti-union stance.

The mine management made a presentation to the employees showing them the comparison between their wages and benefits and UMWA standards, and the employees voted 97% to stay non-union.

In many cases I think the Union battles today are more about UNION management versus the company/gov't management. As the need for unions decreased in the last few decades, they've had to invent reasons for their existence - sort of a social version of Baron Munchausen's syndrome.
 
I think there's always some tension between those who get paid and those who do the paying, but it seems as though when unions and big companies get involved the chest-thumping and bad feelings escalate to an unreasonable level. After all, at least with companies, you are all in the same boat together. The government may be a different case, however, and I'm not quite sure how it all works, or if I even want to know. :dunno:
 
kevin47881 said:
Elizabeth, while I sincerely appreciate ATC, I am also sincere about breaking all unions. The unions that were necessary 80 years ago to bring employers around have run their course.
I have scene work sites where a person had to call a union electrician just to plug in an extension cord.
Unions, IMHO, are one thing this country does not need in the 21st century. Federal labor laws have made this possible.

Most unions, I'm with you.

However, this is ATC we're talking about. Who else is going to push the planes around? This isn't something like plugging in an extension cord that anyone is capable of doing. FAA needs to hire more controllers and they're trying to do so by paying less money? :dunno: That's idiotic.

Remember that controllers have to retire earlier than almost anyone else, and they really don't have any skills that can be transferred to any other job. They need to make pretty good money to be able to have a reasonably comfortable retirement.

Read some of Don Brown's articles on AvWeb. He mentions a lot of problems that are created by the lack of a "D-side" controller, poor equipment, and other problems caused by the FAA being cheap.

I'm with the controllers on this one. They provide excellent service and they deserve every penny. Besides, I haven't seen a whole lot of good things come from Marion Blakey. :no:
 
While political, its aviation political. I'm moving this to Hangar Talk. :)
 
flyingcheesehead said:
I haven't seen a whole lot of good things come from Marion Blakey. :no:
I haven't seen anything good from her. I already posted some long things in another thread like this last year, so I'm not going to again today. Maybe when I have more time...

To sum it up, I'm with the controllers. I should also post my e-mail to John Carr sometime soon as well. I corrisponded with him via e-mail and he was very pleasant and outgoing. Although I know some seem to think poorly of unions, the controllers really need NATCA. When you hear the real stories, the staffing shortage stories and facts of the job and facilities from real controllers working the shifts, you'd be surprised how full of it the FAA really is. I'm surprised when I can read a single sentence from the FAA without a lie in it. I think the FAA has really changed since Marion Blakey became the Administrator, and that was very apparent in her CSPAN appearances last month. Most if not all of her answers to caller questions were lies. She spoke of 3 different sallary figures, all of which she claimed to be the same figure. Go figure.

Click here to read John Carrs blog.
I'm a regular reader and find most of the stuff to be truthful. It's hard to tell what is/isn't truth because of the FAA's lies.

Although some may disagree [with me], regardless, the controllers are being screwed over by the FAA as this title states. The least you can do is call 877-FAIR-FAA and do your part to ensure the safety and efficiency of the controlled airspace you fly in.

Sigh.
Jason
 
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HPNPilot1200 said:
I haven't seen anything good from her.

OK, well, actually, neither have I. Sport Pilot certainly wasn't her doing, it just happened to finish on her watch. All else we've seen is supposed budget problems, threats of user fees, outsourcing of critical functions (though the jury's still out on that one), problems with ATC...

When's her term up again?
 
flyingcheesehead said:
OK, well, actually, neither have I. Sport Pilot certainly wasn't her doing, it just happened to finish on her watch. All else we've seen is supposed budget problems, threats of user fees, outsourcing of critical functions (though the jury's still out on that one), problems with ATC...

When's her term up again?

Not soon enough?
 
F.W. Birdman said:
Not soon enough?
Good answer! I guess we'll have to wait for the Department of Transportation Secretary (which at the moment is Norm Mineta) to appoint a new FAA Admin. If the next president appoints a different Secretary for the DOT, he/she may also appoint a new FAA Administrator which I hope happens.

Attached is my letter to my congressman (I sent it to 3 of my Connecticut congressmen) about supporting The Federal Aviation Administration Fair Labor Management Dispute Resolution Act of 2006 (S.2201 and H.R. 4755). The base of the letter was from NATCA's www.fairfaa.com, but I made many edits and included statistics and other information regarding the situation impact in Connecticut. I derived many of my statistics from the FAA ATCSCC OIS SYSTEM page, the airport master records and reports website, and from documents provided at www.fairfaa.com.

Hopefully I'll get something more than a summary of what the issue is like I received as a reply from my ADIZ letters. ....although I highly doubt I'll get anything beyond that.

Jason
 

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My friend, who is in ATC and sent me the above to begin with, responds:

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Unfortunately the FAA has run a good misinformation campaign with
your tax money.

Controllers don't make 165K a year. How the FAA comes up with this
figure is this. The take your salary let's say 100K. Then they say well
we pay 25K a year into Social Security for the employee. We pay 10K a
year into your 401K. We pay 10K are year into your retirement. We pay
5K a year in unemployment. We pay 15K a year in health insurance for
you and your family. So:

100K
25K
10K
5K
15K

Damn you make 155K a year. If you did this kind of thing with every
person's job, people who make 50K a year probably are making 80K.

For the FAA to say we only work 5 hours a day on position is
misleading.

So I am scheduled to work a 8 hour day. I get 30 min for lunch. (oh
and I can't leave to eat lunch)

Then the FAA supervisor says, "we need some one to go do an
administrative function":

Like update local FAR's
Investigate an accident or incident
File paperwork
Get training on new regulations or procedures and so on.

So if I come to work and you tell me to go do any of the above things
for 2 hours a day, how can you then fault me for only working 5 1/2
hours on position. But if the FAA tells me to do it then I have no
choice. Unless I want to lose my job.
 
woodstock said:
My friend, who is in ATC and sent me the above to begin with, responds:

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Unfortunately the FAA has run a good misinformation campaign with
your tax money.
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NATCA unionists complaining about misinformation... now THAT made me laugh!!
 
Joe Williams said:
NATCA unionists complaining about misinformation... now THAT made me laugh!!

I think NATCA and the FAA deserve each other. I don't like either of them.
 
Anthony said:
I think NATCA and the FAA deserve each other. I don't like either of them.

The new Sporty's mag has a great tee-shirt which reads: "FAA Mission Statement....We're not happy until you're not happy" :D
 
kevin47881 said:
The new Sporty's mag has a great tee-shirt which reads: "FAA Mission Statement....We're not happy until you're not happy" :D
You mean this one?? I think I may just have to get myself one <g>.
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