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Hi from Sweating Bullets, MD! Exam scheduled in a couple of weeks, and I'm taking advantage of my relaxation training! I was wondering if any of you have any links to sites that feature past exam experiences. IOW, I'd like to read about what other people encountered, what to expect in the oral, what I might see in flight, etc. Yes, yes, I know I'm well prepared, but I'd still like to see what traps I might avoid.

Thanks a bunch!

Hopefully cloudbusting by the end of July,
Ben
 
Oops--forgot to add for those who don't know--this is the IR exam.
 
wangmyers said:
Oops--forgot to add for those who don't know--this is the IR exam.

Is the UV exam next? :rofl:
 
Captain Levy’s Checkride Advice



1. Relax and enjoy it. Nationwide, about 90% of applicants pass on the first try, so look around and see if you think you’re as good as 9 out of 10 other students. Also, your instructor must maintain a pass rate of at least 80% to get his ticket renewed, so he’s not going to send you up unless he’s pretty darn sure you’ll pass – otherwise, he has to find four other people to pass to make up for you, and that’s not always easy.



2. Go over with your instructor the logbooks of the aircraft you're going to use the day BEFORE the checkride to make sure it's all in order (annual, transponder checks, ELT ops and battery, 100-hour if rented, etc.). If the airplane's paper busts, so do you. Run a sample W&B, too – get the examiner’s weight when you make the appointment. If you weight 200, and so does the examiner, don’t show up with a C-152 with full tanks and a 350 lb available cabin load – examiners can’t waive max gross weight limits.



3. Relax.



4. Rest up and get a good night's sleep the night before. Don't stay up "cramming."



5. Relax.



6. Read carefully the ENTIRE PTS including all the introductory material. Use the checklist in the front to make sure you take all the stuff you need -- papers and equipment. And the examiner’s fee UP FRONT (too much chance a disgruntled applicant will refuse to pay afterward) in the form demanded by the examiner is a “required document” from a practical, if not FAA, standpoint.



7. Relax.



8. You're going to make some minor mistakes. Correct them yourself in a timely manner "so the outcome of the maneuver is never seriously in doubt" and you'll be OK. If you start to go high on your first steep turn and start a correction as you approach 100 feet high but top out at 110 high while making a smooth correction back to the requested altitude, don't sweat -- nail the next one and you'll pass with "flying colors" (a naval term, actually). If you see the maneuver will exceed parameters and not be smoothly recoverable, tell the examiner and knock it off before you go outside those parameters, and then re-initiate. That shows great sense, if not great skill, and judgement is the most critical item on the checkride.



9. Relax.



10. During the oral, you don’t have to answer from memory anything you’d have time to look up in reality. So if the examiner asks you about currency, it’s OK to open the book to FAR 61.56 and 61.57 and explain them to him. But make sure you know where the answer is without reading the whole FAR/AIM cover-to-cover. On the other hand, for stuff you’d have to know RIGHT NOW (e.g., best glide speed for engine failure, etc.), you’d best not stumble or stutter – know that stuff cold. Also, remember that the examiner will use the areas your knowledge test report says you missed as focus points in the oral, so study them extra thoroughly.



11. Relax.



12. Avoid this conversation:
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?


Applicant - A: I have a #2, a mechanical, a red one...

Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?

Applicant - A: I also have an assortment of pens, and some highlighters...

Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?

Applicant - A: Yes.

Examiner - Thank you.

One of the hardest things to do when you’re nervous and pumped up is to shut up and answer the question. I've watched people talk themselves into a corner by incorrectly answering a question that was never asked, or by adding an incorrect appendix to the correct answer to the question that was. If the examiner wants more, he'll tell you.



13. Relax



14. Some questions are meant simply to test your knowledge, not your skill, even if they sound otherwise. If the examiner asks how far below the cloud deck you are, he is checking to see if you know the answer is “at least 500 feet,” not how good your depth perception is. He can’t tell any better than you can, and the only way to be sure is to climb up and see when you hit the bases, which for sure he won’t let you do.



15. Relax



16. Remember the first rule of Italian driving: "What's behind me is not important." Don't worry about how you did the last maneuver or question. If you didn't do it well enough, the examiner must notify you and terminate the checkride. If you are on the next one, forget the last one because it was good enough to pass. Focus on doing that next maneuver or answering the next question the best you can, because while it can still determine whether you pass or fail, the last one can’t anymore. If you get back to the office and he hasn't said you failed, smile to your friends as you walk in because you just passed.



17. Relax and enjoy your new license.

And because it's you, Ben...

18. RELAX, DAGNABIT!





Ron Levy, ATP, CFI, Veteran of 11 license/rating checkrides, including 4 with FAA inspectors
 
wangmyers said:
Hi from Sweating Bullets, MD! Exam scheduled in a couple of weeks, and I'm taking advantage of my relaxation training! I was wondering if any of you have any links to sites that feature past exam experiences. IOW, I'd like to read about what other people encountered, what to expect in the oral, what I might see in flight, etc. Yes, yes, I know I'm well prepared, but I'd still like to see what traps I might avoid.

Thanks a bunch!

Hopefully cloudbusting by the end of July,
Ben

Ben,

When I did mine, it was very straightforward. Went up, did some under the hood maneuvers (turns, climbs, descents, unusual attitude), then off to do the ILS at Lunken. Missed approach, vectors to the VOR-24 at Blue Ash (Partial Panel), then a missed out to the GPS-24 at Blue Ash to a full stop. We did a hold in there, too. I probably forgot a couple of things, but it was a few years ago...

I did put a note on the flight plan when we filed "Instrument Checkride"...

YMMV. My ride was in the Cincinnati area.
 
Ron, pretty good stuff there. #12 had me laughing.


Ben, in spite of your good intentions it will only be torture reading checkride stories written by others. You have a checkride coming up, that crap will get your mind all twisted. Best you do what Ron said.
 
Ron Levy said:
Captain Levy’s Checkride Advice



And because it's you, Ben...

18. RELAX, DAGNABIT!

LOL! Thanks Ron! How well you know me!
 
I see your point, Richard.

Richard said:
Ron, pretty good stuff there. #12 had me laughing.


Ben, in spite of your good intentions it will only be torture reading checkride stories written by others. You have a checkride coming up, that crap will get your mind all twisted. Best you do what Ron said.
 
Thanks, Bill!

wsuffa said:
Ben,

When I did mine, it was very straightforward. Went up, did some under the hood maneuvers (turns, climbs, descents, unusual attitude), then off to do the ILS at Lunken. Missed approach, vectors to the VOR-24 at Blue Ash (Partial Panel), then a missed out to the GPS-24 at Blue Ash to a full stop. We did a hold in there, too. I probably forgot a couple of things, but it was a few years ago...

I did put a note on the flight plan when we filed "Instrument Checkride"...

YMMV. My ride was in the Cincinnati area.
 
wangmyers said:
Thanks, Bill!
Ben, you are so overprepared that the only thing that can sink you is negligence. Really. Be systematic in your apporach, in your briefing of the approaches and tasks you are requested.

Make certain that if the DPE (playing the role of Approach Control) asks you to check atis again, that he isn't trying to get you to stop at Circle-to land minimums or at least vebalize that.

This is one that's "in your head" so to speak, and you are AFAICTell, really really, ready. :)

Use the force, Luke.
 
I posted a (long) checkride story here a while back, but you've already read it.

The thing that I learned the most from my ride is to remember that YOU have PIC authority. If things are going too fast, or you don't like something the DE is asking you to do, remember that the person in control of the ride is YOU, and to speak up. (I've always had a problem with this, as the DE is quite an authority figure, and hard to say "no" to!)

Just "be yourself". You'll do great!

And remember, NO STUDYING the night before. Maybe even for a few days before. You already know everything. Just get a good night's sleep.

--Kath
 
looking forward to a complete write up. hoping the wx gods work with you...good luck Ben......................KD
 
I'm sure you'll do fine, Ben.
I hear this is one of the common 'examiner's oral test approaches' (see pic). But I'm sure you have studied a bunch of these as they have become so commonplace lately. They typically start with the usual 'Define the TERPS criteria for the minimum arc radii for each of the curved segments.....blahblahblah' and then go on to why the RNP is different for each leg, and between aircraft - all old hat for you no doubt.

Also, I see a new PTS was just issue for the -IA rating last week and includes a simulated engine-out from over the field - you have to find and track a localizer to a successful landing which seems like a thorny task kind of like Comm rating task except with a hood on, PLUS they now require you to simulate a 'simultaneous close parallel and converging ILSs' - some details on this new requirement here: http://www.faa.gov/AVR/AFS/PRMtraining/

Good luck, let us know how it goes!
 
Thank you very much, Bruce! This examiner is very organized, and sent me a very helpful email to get me ready for the ride.

Now I'm excited!

bbchien said:
Ben, you are so overprepared that the only thing that can sink you is negligence. Really. Be systematic in your apporach, in your briefing of the approaches and tasks you are requested.

Make certain that if the DPE (playing the role of Approach Control) asks you to check atis again, that he isn't trying to get you to stop at Circle-to land minimums or at least vebalize that.

This is one that's "in your head" so to speak, and you are AFAICTell, really really, ready. :)

Use the force, Luke.
 
Thanks, Kath!

kath said:
I posted a (long) checkride story here a while back, but you've already read it.

The thing that I learned the most from my ride is to remember that YOU have PIC authority. If things are going too fast, or you don't like something the DE is asking you to do, remember that the person in control of the ride is YOU, and to speak up. (I've always had a problem with this, as the DE is quite an authority figure, and hard to say "no" to!)

Just "be yourself". You'll do great!

And remember, NO STUDYING the night before. Maybe even for a few days before. You already know everything. Just get a good night's sleep.

--Kath
 
Thanks, KD. Luckily, this examiner said he'd be willing to fly in MVFR, so that raises the odds for my being able to take the test on the first day!

cherokeeflyboy said:
looking forward to a complete write up. hoping the wx gods work with you...good luck Ben......................KD
 
Holy cow--a new PTS for the instrument rating? Are you sure? I didn't see it on the FAA website. Where did you find out about this, and where do I go to get it?

Let'sgoflying! said:
Also, I see a new PTS was just issue for the -IA rating last week and includes a simulated engine-out from over the field - you have to find and track a localizer to a successful landing which seems like a thorny task kind of like Comm rating task except with a hood on, PLUS they now require you to simulate a 'simultaneous close parallel and converging ILSs' - some details on this new requirement here: http://www.faa.gov/AVR/AFS/PRMtraining/
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
I'm sure you'll do fine, Ben.
I hear this is one of the common 'examiner's oral test approaches' (see pic). But I'm sure you have studied a bunch of these as they have become so commonplace lately. They typically start with the usual 'Define the TERPS criteria for the minimum arc radii for each of the curved segments.....blahblahblah' and then go on to why the RNP is different for each leg, and between aircraft - all old hat for you no doubt.

Also, I see a new PTS was just issue for the -IA rating last week and includes a simulated engine-out from over the field - you have to find and track a localizer to a successful landing which seems like a thorny task kind of like Comm rating task except with a hood on, PLUS they now require you to simulate a 'simultaneous close parallel and converging ILSs' - some details on this new requirement here: http://www.faa.gov/AVR/AFS/PRMtraining/

Good luck, let us know how it goes!

Bwah ha ha! That's mean, Dave. Funny, but mean! :rofl:
 
Ben, from the discussions I have seen you partake in here, you are so very ready for this, I am sure you will ace it. I'd be willing to bet the DE learns something from you!
(You're a good sport about my attempts at humor, too)
 
I read Dave's post, and as I read it, I thought, "that dirty stinker!" The gag was well-tailored ("Taylored"?) for the victim, the man who may well be the best-prepared IR examinee in the history of ... history.

New PTS, indeed!

Ben, you gonna do just fine.
 
I got that depiction from a recent IFR mag and it looked Greek to me.

Did you ever have those dreams where you go into an exam and when you open the test, all the wording, formulae, everything is completely indecipherable to you? You look around the room to see if you came to the wrong exam, but nope - there's all your classmates working hard to complete their test, so you flip the booklet over to see if yours looks the same as everyone's and it does, but you can't figure it out - none of this is ANYthing you were taught or have studied and then you awaken in a sweat.
Thats kind of what it reminded me of.

PS Ben you'll do fine.
 
wangmyers said:

Don't get too comfortable...

There's so much material in these tests, it can be really hard to pass these IFR flight & ground tests without re-reading all your manuals again forwards & backwards a few more times at least, especially during the 2 or three days and nights right before the test.

Usually that means cramming for the 3 nights prior to testing and drinking lots of strong coffee to stay awake but, that's not a bad thing for getting in the mood to argue with ATC when needed and usually with the IFR examiner too.
 
LOL! OK, I get it . . . I will try to relax!
 
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