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I planned a route using duats and it gave me back the flightplan
but also included "--- int." in the route. Clearly, there is a turn I need to make at this intersection (and load in the GPS) but can't find it? What am I missing? :mad2:

Here's the route from duats:

SNC, D>, MAD, V475, --- int., V374, CMK
V374, VOLLU int., V39, SAX, V39, ETX, D>
LNS
 
Looks to me like there's no named intersection where V475 and V374 cross. So, you can either guess at where that is (probably not the best idea), file for a different route (like MAD - CMK instead of MAD - V475 - V374 - CMK), or... actually fly the needles since there is an intersection that exists there in space, even if it doesn't have a name. I'd probably try to file a different route, but if that's what I got, just fly the needles.
 
Ted, okay not me then...

Felix, Yea, already looking at other routing and your right, not that different

Thanks for the quick response Gents!
 
What about a user defined waypoint at the intersection of the 2 airways?
 
Sorry I can't directly answer your question (I use fltplan.ocm, not Duats). But here are the last 4 assigned routes from SNC to LNS:

MAD CMK V188 SAX V249 SBJ
SEALL V188 CMK V39 ETX
BDR CMK V623 SAX V39 ETX V39 LRP
CMK V3 SBJ V30 ETX V39 LRP
 
HPNPilot1200 said:
Sorry I can't directly answer your question (I use fltplan.ocm, not Duats). But here are the last 4 assigned routes from SNC to LNS:

MAD CMK V188 SAX V249 SBJ
SEALL V188 CMK V39 ETX
BDR CMK V623 SAX V39 ETX V39 LRP
CMK V3 SBJ V30 ETX V39 LRP
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Hey Jason,

Long time no chat! Yea, I looked at those as well. No biggie as there are
lots of routes. And, knowing NY, we may not get any as filed!:rofl:

Are you going to Lancaster next Saturday?

Andy
 
Nope, unfortunately I'm still in Indiana for another 2 weeks. Then I'm home for 5 days, and then back out til December (end of the semester). Maybe we'll fly somewhere when I'm back home for winter break. :smile:

And yes, "I have a full re-route advise ready to copy" is just part of flying in NY. It's worse down at Allentown in my experience though. *doh*
 
HPNPilot1200 said:
And yes, "I have a full re-route advise ready to copy" is just part of flying in NY. It's worse down at Allentown in my experience though. *doh*
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+1 on that. Do those guys take the book out and purposely come up with the most idiotic routing possible and then give it to you?
 
CT Arrow said:
I planned a route using duats and it gave me back the flightplan
but also included "--- int." in the route. Clearly, there is a turn I need to make at this intersection (and load in the GPS) but can't find it? What am I missing? :mad2:

Here's the route from duats:

SNC, D>, MAD, V475, --- int., V374, CMK
V374, VOLLU int., V39, SAX, V39, ETX, D>
LNS
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What route did you input to DUATS?

What are you actually trying to find? A published intersection where V475 and V374 intersect? There isn't any, although there's probably an unpublished one. Is your problem loading the route in the GPS?
 
Areeda said:
What about a user defined waypoint at the intersection of the 2 airways?
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That's the ticket. Use the coordinate data in the flight log to create a user-defined waypoint at the airway intersection. Picking a name-defined intersection nearby is not kosher.
 
roncachamp said:
What route did you input to DUATS?

What are you actually trying to find? A published intersection where V475 and V374 intersect? There isn't any, although there's probably an unpublished one. Is your problem loading the route in the GPS?
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I used auto-routing and that is what was suggested. What caught my eye was the "... Intersection", I never saw that before?

No issues w/ loading the route as there are many choices....
 
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HPNPilot1200 said:
Nope, unfortunately I'm still in Indiana for another 2 weeks. Then I'm home for 5 days, and then back out til December (end of the semester). Maybe we'll fly somewhere when I'm back home for winter break. :smile:

And yes, "I have a full re-route advise ready to copy" is just part of flying in NY. It's worse down at Allentown in my experience though. *doh*
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Ah! Good deal! and hope to catch up w/ ya when your back! Safe travels!
 
CT Arrow said:
I used auto-routing and that is what was suggested. What caught my eye was the "... Intersection", I never saw that before?

No issues w/ loading the route as there are many choices....
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Appears to just be the way DUATS presents intersecting airways that lack a named intersection. It's also a bit unnecessarily complicated. The ATC computer would show it as SNC..MAD.V475..V374.CMK.V39.ETX..LNS
 
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Ron Levy said:
That's the ticket. Use the coordinate data in the flight log to create a user-defined waypoint at the airway intersection. Picking a name-defined intersection nearby is not kosher.
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While getting the routing DUATS suggests is an iffy proposition, it is common to get this kind of routing, at least around here.

If you're /G it might be a good idea to know how to program this.

Joe
 
CT Arrow said:
I used auto-routing and that is what was suggested. What caught my eye was the "... Intersection", I never saw that before?

No issues w/ loading the route as there are many choices....
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yeah, that is a weird one. haven't seen that before.
 
Just got one now for flight up to the NE Flyers at Lancaster -- EZIZI V29 DQO V469 V499 LRP. But I think I put that one in the box a while back, so the 469/499 user waypoint should still be there.
 
Ron Levy said:
Just got one now for flight up to the NE Flyers at Lancaster -- EZIZI V29 DQO V469 V499 LRP. But I think I put that one in the box a while back, so the 469/499 user waypoint should still be there.
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That's the route DUATS suggests, but will ATC actually assign it?

If there is no TEC route, are you likely to get whatever you file? I'm so used to flying in the Northeast, I think I have all the (only) routes memorized. I'm not used to getting whatever I pick.
 
Areeda said:
While getting the routing DUATS suggests is an iffy proposition, it is common to get this kind of routing, at least around here.

If you're /G it might be a good idea to know how to program this.

Joe
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Very, very true.

Every time I depart IFR out of Ontario, I get POM V264 V186. There's no published intersection for V264-V186.

I've made a user waypoint now. Before, I used to either use a radial for 186 off of the VNY VOR, or set up 186 in the second GPS.....

-Felix
 
flyersfan31 said:
That's the route DUATS suggests, but will ATC actually assign it?
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I was cleared as filed. Once airborne, past Pax and Dover, Philly gave me "after DQO direct PADRE" for the RNAV 31.
If there is no TEC route, are you likely to get whatever you file?
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It seems to depend on how well what you file fits with the flows to which the TEC routes are fitted.
 
Ron Levy said:
I was cleared as filed. Once airborne, past Pax and Dover, Philly gave me "after DQO direct PADRE" for the RNAV 31.
It seems to depend on how well what you file fits with the flows to which the TEC routes are fitted.
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Interesting.
 
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