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This is an investigation of an old crash during a practice dogfight.
Exclusive, as far as I know this is the first time this video has been readily available to the general public.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JY-BItf1kQ
I think this crash was a result of GLOC. If you look at the primitive old fashion computer graphics of the simulation of the crash, you will see that there are three Starburst in the path of the aircraft. I think the Starbursts are bookmarks that represent stick/control inputs, I think the first Starburst is when the pilot started a tight turn and started to pull G’s. I think the second Starburst is when there was no more stick/control inputs, so it's likely when the pilot lost consciousness. The third Starburst I think represents when the pilot started to regain conscious and apply stick/control inputs. Though apparently the pilot started to regain consciousness before the crash, he evidently wasn't conscious enough to properly control the aircraft.
After a pilot GLOC’s the pilot stops flying the aircraft, so the aircraft has a tendency to go into a 1G roll, sometimes a spin.
So what happens in a tight turn, is the pilot will put in inputs that make the plane turn and pull Gs, if a pilot loses consciousness the controls usually go neutral, which usually allows the aircraft ease off on the G, however since the aircraft is not controlled, fighters have a tendency to roll and dive if they are not controlled.
The computers simulation in the video was made from data gathered from data recorders, and possibly air and ground tracking.
On April 21 2007 one of the Blue Angels crashed (Kevin 'Kojak' Davis). I don't mean to interfere with the investigation, I have respect and reasonable faith in the investigation. With all due respect, I would like to speculate, that the loss was possibly due to GLOC.
By no means am I am positive that that is what happened with the Blue Angels, however I can't help but notice some glaring similarities. There are some things that could look very similar though. I'm sure that the investigators are aware and educated. They also have the advantage of having the data to study.
I suspect the Blue Angels have seen this video, I think it is (or was) in the curriculum for all fighter pilots in the US military, as part of safety awareness training.
GLOC = Gravity induced Loss of Consciousness
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Here's a few more interesting videos, I kind hated to start another thread. A
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AT-6 Emergency Landing on Freeway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z815oss3PpU
longer video
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/ne...0/6913136.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&asb=1&news=1&ms3=22
EMERGENCY LANDING ON HWY 41
July 23, 2007 05:53 PM EDT
Sunday evening - a vintage 1946 North American T-6G military plane flying over Fond du Lac skies - made an emergency landing on Highway 41 - near Western Avenue.
Authorities say 59 year old William Leff of Dayton, Ohio and his 19 year old son Jeff were on their way to the E.A.A. AirVenture, when their plane started experiencing engine failure.
The pilot told the Fond du Lac County Airport he wouldn't be able to make it.
State Troopers were out on HWY 41 halting traffic for a motor home incident - when the plane touched down next to them in the northbound lane.
Officials say the father and son - landed safely without injury and just minor damage to the planes right wing.
An investigation is currently underway.
Source.
http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=6824210
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F-119 turbine failure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPIsyXK7ALo
Exclusive, as far as I know this is the first time this video has been readily available to the general public.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JY-BItf1kQ
I think this crash was a result of GLOC. If you look at the primitive old fashion computer graphics of the simulation of the crash, you will see that there are three Starburst in the path of the aircraft. I think the Starbursts are bookmarks that represent stick/control inputs, I think the first Starburst is when the pilot started a tight turn and started to pull G’s. I think the second Starburst is when there was no more stick/control inputs, so it's likely when the pilot lost consciousness. The third Starburst I think represents when the pilot started to regain conscious and apply stick/control inputs. Though apparently the pilot started to regain consciousness before the crash, he evidently wasn't conscious enough to properly control the aircraft.
After a pilot GLOC’s the pilot stops flying the aircraft, so the aircraft has a tendency to go into a 1G roll, sometimes a spin.
So what happens in a tight turn, is the pilot will put in inputs that make the plane turn and pull Gs, if a pilot loses consciousness the controls usually go neutral, which usually allows the aircraft ease off on the G, however since the aircraft is not controlled, fighters have a tendency to roll and dive if they are not controlled.
The computers simulation in the video was made from data gathered from data recorders, and possibly air and ground tracking.
On April 21 2007 one of the Blue Angels crashed (Kevin 'Kojak' Davis). I don't mean to interfere with the investigation, I have respect and reasonable faith in the investigation. With all due respect, I would like to speculate, that the loss was possibly due to GLOC.
By no means am I am positive that that is what happened with the Blue Angels, however I can't help but notice some glaring similarities. There are some things that could look very similar though. I'm sure that the investigators are aware and educated. They also have the advantage of having the data to study.
I suspect the Blue Angels have seen this video, I think it is (or was) in the curriculum for all fighter pilots in the US military, as part of safety awareness training.
GLOC = Gravity induced Loss of Consciousness
============
Here's a few more interesting videos, I kind hated to start another thread. A
============
AT-6 Emergency Landing on Freeway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z815oss3PpU
longer video
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/ne...0/6913136.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&asb=1&news=1&ms3=22
EMERGENCY LANDING ON HWY 41
July 23, 2007 05:53 PM EDT
Sunday evening - a vintage 1946 North American T-6G military plane flying over Fond du Lac skies - made an emergency landing on Highway 41 - near Western Avenue.
Authorities say 59 year old William Leff of Dayton, Ohio and his 19 year old son Jeff were on their way to the E.A.A. AirVenture, when their plane started experiencing engine failure.
The pilot told the Fond du Lac County Airport he wouldn't be able to make it.
State Troopers were out on HWY 41 halting traffic for a motor home incident - when the plane touched down next to them in the northbound lane.
Officials say the father and son - landed safely without injury and just minor damage to the planes right wing.
An investigation is currently underway.
Source.
http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=6824210
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F-119 turbine failure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPIsyXK7ALo