Chuck Yeager - Lawsuit Crazy?

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  1. Jimmy cooper

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    It's all that combined with lots of immaturity. Both Yeager and Hoover are ledgends and both are show boaters. Why not? They paid their dues! Both have contributed a great deal to general aviation and to the country and deserve the utmost respect. They are also big big buddy's since their early days as newly graduated cadets. To say that Yeager needed a Piper demo pilot to assist him is just total immaturity along with the other negative comments from the peanut gallery.
     
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    Jimmy,

    I am SO glad you give credit to fighter pilots who have paid their dues!

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    ^^^^LOL! Good one Eddie!
     
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    Yes indeed! However, He jumped into the guard to avoid combat. ( with a lot of political help) He did not pay his dues and broke his contract with the Air Force. If you had done this you would have gone to the slammer. ( his guard unit was known as the "champagne flight" and was eliminated from going to Vietnam.)
     
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    I detect some jealously.
     
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    No not jealousy, simply facts about one if not the worst president we ever had. Easy to research the facts about his business dealings and his military record. A loser.
     
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    The 147th Fighter Interceptor Group was conducting combat missions in Vietnam when Bush enlisted in the ANG. We were also involved in the Cold War at the time, and there were a lot of Vietnam era military who weren't involved in Vietnam, but were otherwise involved in the Cold War, and weren't REMFs.

    Further, the F-102 Delta Dagger was a dangerous and difficult aircraft to fly, with an accident rate of 13.69 accidents per 100,000 flight hours, compared to today's fighters who average 4 accidents per 100,000 hours.

    There are few pilots on this board who have ever flown such relatively dangerous aircraft.

    For someone who admonishes everyone else to read more, I'm surprised you didn't know these facts. Perhaps a severe case of BDS impeded your ability to learn.

    Here's a good article that you may find helpful to bring you up to speed:

    http://www.456fis.org/PRESIDENT_BUSH_&_THE_F-102.htm
     
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    Bush derangement syndrome is KILLING poor jimmmmmmmy.
     
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    BHO will clearly come down as the absolutely worst POTUS in the history of the U.S.A....... Hands down... :yes::(
     
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    With jimmmmy's namesake, jimmy carter a SOLID second.
     
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    ummm... he was in the Texas National Guard. You volunteer to get in, and you can also volunteer to get out without any problem. Texas is the only state allowed to have its own military, and time there does count as military duty.

    Again, petty jealousy. How many democrats took a single college course just to stay out of the draft? (besides Clinton)
     
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    You are certainly entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. By the time little bush arrived at the "champange flight" this aircraft had been withdrawn from combat in Vietnam. He also checked the box that said, I do not wish to serve in Vietnam. Compared to yeagers service record bush is a wimp. Bush also refused to take a flight physical and so was not able to fly that " dangerous" airplane around texas any longer. This negated the contract he signed before he entered flight training. He did not keep his word. Easy to look up.
     
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    Never thought a thread about Yeager would careen toward the Spin Zone.....
     
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    Saying Bush was the worst POTUS ever is like saying Chuk Yeager was the worst pilot ever. Both have their faults, but calling them the 'worst' is a bit of an emotional extreme.
     
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    Hmm. I thought I turned off SZ.
     
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    Driver, would you be interested in submitting a photo or two of your shots of Gen Yeager for my fan website? I can give you more information if you like but I can't post links yet. Thanks!
     
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    I met him in person a few times and found him to be quite a nice guy. We spent some time talking about the F5 / Tiger shark at one of those meetings and he was very good at explaining to a new aircraft mechanic/pilot what the difference between the F5 and the tigershark was and why it made a difference. The last time was some time ago too but he was very good with the whole crew of our indycar team after we won the race in 92.....
    Spending time around a lot of excellent, poor and prima donna celebrity types I can see how some of them get really tired of having their lives pried into and second guessed. Some deal well with it and others don't. Glad I don't have to worry about any of that crap.
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    Yeager and Hoover, and probably thousands of others, lied to put themselves in harm's way. I give them a full pardon for that.
     
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    I worked at Electra Flyer/American Aircraft when Yeager came to Albuquerque. He first flew the Eagle, a weight shift ultralight, the Falcon came along some months later.

    Flying a hang glider from Sandia Peak was pretty cool. On late summer afternoons it was possible to gain 3,000' above the mountain.
     
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    Thats interesting.....I worked for Romauld Drlik building propellers for the falcons and eagles. I met Yeager the first time at Coronado airport when the Delco two seat falcon was being delivered. Larry Newman asked me if I wanted to go for a ride with him in the camera plane and I told him I wouldn't fly with him. Someone slapped me on the back and said " son, you made a very good decision right then, you'll go far in aviation." I turned around and it was Chuck Yeager. We chatted for quite a while as the plane was being fiddled with and PR folks were doing their thing. I saw him again at the Indianapolis speedway and he asked if I'd gotten my pilots license. He remembered my name too....I was shocked. I think he's a good guy who's in a bad situation.....
    Frank
     
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    One of the coolest things I've ever seen was at the Edwards AFB O'Club. Riding to a party in a Bluebird Bus, we passed the parking lot where a Shelby Cobra was parked with the hood up. Peering into the innards were Chuck Yeager, Bob Rushworth and Pete Knight. By the time I got back to get a photo of this obvious high level technical conference, they and the Cobra were gone.

    Cheers
     
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    I agree with those who say they aren't going to judge any of it. Unless you are inside a family, you can't know what's really going on. Younger women are accused of gold digging as if money and only money is all a younger woman could possibly want from an older man, but sometimes there is real love there. If that's the case, the man got many years of true love plus sex (presumably) and maybe housework and other wifely benefits. Likely she is also doing some caregiving to an elderly man which in my book qualifies a person as practically a saint (as long as they do it with loving attitude). There is the opportunity she lost to marry someone else or focus on a career, so she technically has every right to try to maximize her own nest egg from what she inherits from her husband. Technically, if his Will is written that way.

    Morally might be another matter, and especially if, as a person ages and becomes confused, they are manipulated into changing their Will. I have seen this happen. Not all gold diggers are young; an 80 something woman stole an 80 something man from his 80 something wife, where they'd been married for decades, got him to change his Will completely disinheriting his now ex-wife and leaving everything to the new little octogenarian hussy, then in 6 months he died.

    The moral of the story: If you know for certain you want your children to inherit your estate, put safeguards in place against this sort of thing. What safeguards I don't know, that's for lawyers to help you with. It's a fine balance between what I want today and what I will think I want when I'm older and maybe don't have all my marbles. My advice to children is to be nice to your parents and not give them any ammunition to be convinced by an outsider to change their Will, and also stay involved and on top of their affairs.

    Another case I saw a distant cousin began cozying up to the 80 something aunt and trying to convince her to change her Will but the nephew, who was her Power of Attorney, caught wind of the proposed change and was able to stop it. They went to court. It turned out the old lady only wanted to stay in her home rather than go to a facility, and the cousin was trying to convince her that the only way to do that was to disinherit the nephew and turn it all over to him (the distant cousin). The nephew had suggested she would be safer in a facility. Upon close examination by the Judge, the old lady admitted she trusted the nephew more and actually wanted him to remain in charge of her affairs, but only wanted to stay in her house. Thus the nephew agreed, she got in-home care, and the cousin? Vanished. (I am not even sure he actually was a blood cousin; there were suspicions he was an opportunist acquaintance. We have seen neither hide nor hair of him since.)

    Moral of the story, stay close to your elders and make sure you are meeting their needs and wants. Be alert to this kind of manipulation early and nip it in the bud.

    So in this case again, I can't judge. I don't know how the children behaved, how the wife and husband were behind closed doors, etc.
     
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    Good advice on the moral of the story. I am going through that right now. My mom is 85 and we are in the process (with an attorneys help) of building a trust where I will be named as director of that trust when she passes. And safeguards are being put in place. My mom is still very active physically and mentally which is a great thing. Only problem, she might outlive me..!!!
     
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    A lot of people thought Larry was an ass but he always treated me well. It's a shame cancer took him at such a young age.
     
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    I wasn't aware Larry had died. Sorry to hear that. I didn't so much think he was an ass but I didn't trust him flying. Thanks for the info.

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    As far as Yeager's wartime service, one thing I have not seen mentioned here is that after he was shot down and successfully evaded capture and escaped to Spain, he was banned from flying combat--the Allies didn't want to endanger the resistance operatives that helped him escape, should he be shot down and captured. He refused to return to the States, even though he rated it--he said he just wanted to do his duty. He held his ground so long that after D Day the issue was moot, so he was allowed to fly. He went on to become an ace.
     
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    He was a 757 captain for America West for a long time. I think he died in 2002.
     
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    Heard Col "Bud" Anderson speak a couple nights ago. At 95 years old, he still came to the o'club to throw some back. I can't even begin to imagine what guys like him, or Gen Yeager, went through. He was saying that there were no navaids whatsoever at their airfield in the UK, and they would just drop down until they got under the overcast/fog layer and hope to see either the English Channel, or England, and then they would just visually nav from there. Said there was a DF capability, but nobody dared embarrass themselves by using it, broadcasting to everyone that they were lost. That all being after a 1000 NM trip over Germany into the guns and fighters of the Luftwaffe. Greatest generation, I think any of them have earned the right to be a little crabby in old age.
     
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