Cessna model number progression

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Just curious about the numbering system for Cessna single-engine models...

152, 172, 182... then 195 (radial) and 206? Why not 192, 202?

What happened to 162, 192? Does anybody have a link to some history about the Cessna model numbering system?
 
In the early '60s there was an experimental "Model 160," projected as a low-cost, entry-level four-seater with slab-sided, corrugated aluminum skins and a Grumman-style, nonsteerable nosewheel.

As the 177 Cardinal was originally intended to replace the 172, the factory referred to it early on as "172J". That's why the 1968-69 Skyhawks skipped from 172I to 172K. A slightly larger airplane, similar in concept to the Cardinal, and intended for the Skylane market niche, was built and flown as "Model 187." There was also a prototype of a center-line-thrust twin, smaller than a 337, intended to compete in the Twin Comanche market. I forget its number offhand, possibly 327? [Edit: It was 327.]

Remember the Model 205? It was essentially a 210C with fixed landing gear. It was marketed as "205" but its "official" model number was "210-5."

The other single-engine retractables are really confusing. The retractable 172 is 172RG. The retractable Cardinal is 177RG. The retractable Skylane is ... nope, it's R182. A TR182 is a turbocharged, retractable Skylane, but a T182R is an early-'80s, turbocharged, fixed-gear Skylane. An R172 is a fixed-gear, Continental six-cylinder IO-360-powered 172 (Reims Rocket, Hawk XP, T-41), but 172R is the current, 160-hp Skyhawk.

French-built models all have an 'F' prefix before the model number. A few 182's were built in Argentina, those were "A182." But an "A150" or "A152" is a US-built, acrobatic version. An "FRA150" is a French-built 150 Aerobat with a 130-hp Rolls-Royce Continental engine.

Got all that? There will be a quiz on Friday. :D

Is there logic to all that? Not really. Mainly it's what sounds good to the marketing department at the particular time. Probably the most "logical" postwar Cessna model number was the four-engine Model 620. Somebody reasoned that it was a "Model 310 x 2."

What was the only postwar Cessna in which the horsepower rating matched the model number ??? :rolleyes:

The registration number on Cessna's prototype Light Sport Aircraft is N158CS, leading to speculation it will be "Model 158."

Please log onto to Wiki and fix it then.
I'll figure out how to do that.

-- Pilawt
 
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In the early '60s there was an experimental "Model 160," projected as a low-cost, entry-level four-seater with slab-sided, corrugated aluminum skins and a Grumman-style, nonsteerable nosewheel.

As the 177 Cardinal was originally intended to replace the 172, the factory referred to it early on as "172J". That's why the 1968-69 Skyhawks skipped from 172I to 172K. A slightly larger airplane, similar in concept to the Cardinal, and intended for the Skylane market niche, was built and flown as "Model 187." There was also a prototype of a center-line-thrust twin, smaller than a 337, intended to compete in the Twin Comanche market. I forget its number offhand, possibly 327?

Remember the Model 205? It was essentially a 210C with fixed landing gear. It was marketed as "205" but its "official" model number was "210-5."

The other single-engine retractables are really confusing. The retractable 172 is 172RG. The retractable Cardinal is 177RG. The retractable Skylane is ... nope, it's R182. A TR182 is a turbocharged, retractable Skylane, but a T182R is an early-'80s, turbocharged, fixed-gear Skylane. An R172 is a fixed-gear, Continental six-cylinder IO-360-powered 172 (Reims Rocket, Hawk XP, T-41), but 172R is the current, 160-hp Skyhawk.

French-built models all have an 'F' prefix before the model number. A few 182's were built in Argentina, those were "A182." But an "A150" or "A152" is a US-built, acrobatic version. An "FRA150" is a French-built 150 Aerobat with a 130-hp Rolls-Royce Continental engine.

Got all that? There will be a quiz on Friday. :D

Is there logic to all that? Not really. Mainly it's what sounds good to the marketing department at the particular time. Probably the most "logical" postwar Cessna model number was the four-engine Model 620. Somebody reasoned that it was a "Model 310 x 2."

What was the only postwar Cessna in which the horsepower rating matched the model number ??? :rolleyes:

The registration number on Cessna's prototype Light Sport Aircraft is N158CS, leading to speculation it will be "Model 158."

I'll figure out how to do that.

-- Pilawt

Wow, great reply! Thanks!!
 
What was the only postwar Cessna in which the horsepower rating matched the model number ??? :rolleyes:


-- Pilawt


That'd be the 175, the perennial favorite of Mr. Downey.
 
The registration number on Cessna's prototype Light Sport Aircraft is N158CS, leading to speculation it will be "Model 158."

Hmmm, interesting. By picking that number, they could also do some variants of the NGP named the 178 and the 188. Dunno what they'll do about the 206 replacement tho, 'cuz the 208 is the Caravan series. (Which genius numbered that right in the middle of the piston line anyway? They shoulda called it the 250 or something.)
 
A few more Cessna model number weirdities:

The military L-19/O-1 Bird Dog (high wing, single engine, tailwheel) is "Model 305."

The company toyed with the idea of transforming its T-37 jet trainer into a four-seat executive jet. It would have been "Model 407."

The experimental, single-engine, two-seat, twin-boom pusher proof-of-concept prototype called "XMC" (Experimental Magic Carpet) was "Model 1014"; after much modification it flew again as "Model 1034."

I could only find one example where Cessna recycled a model number. A major redesign of the 190-195 series, with a flat-six engine, squared-off wingtips and tail, and tubular landing gear, was called "Model X-210."

-- Pilawt
 
You guys started in the middle, and forgot the 145/165/airmaster, the 120, 140, and the 150.

And where did the bambo bomber fit in all this ?
 
The late former Cessna Manager of Flight Test & Aerodynamics, Bill Thompson, devoted a chapter to the C-620 in his 1995 book, Cessna - Wings for The World II. He wrote that the C-620 project was suddenly canceled in 1957, just a year after its first flight, the sole prototype was bulldozed (literally), engineering drawings and reports were destroyed, and half of the company's 200 engineers were laid off. Fortunately Thompson bootlegged notes and memos about the airplane.

Wouldn't you love to stick your head out the cockpit window and yell, "Clear Four!"?

You guys started in the middle, and forgot the 145/165/airmaster, the 120, 140, and the 150.

And where did the bambo bomber fit in all this ?
Cessna's pre-war model numbering system was different from the postwar (which began with 120/140, 170 and 195), and even more disorganized.

The design we associate with the name "Airmaster" started as the C-34 (for 'Cessna - 1934'). Updated models were the C-37 and C-38, in 1937 and 1938, respectively. The name "Airmaster" was first used with the C-38. Beginning in 1939 two engine options were offered, and the model numbers were changed to C-145 and C-165 to reflect the horsepower.

As to the "Bamboo Bomber," one source (Cessna Guidebook, by Mitch Mayborn and Bob Pickett) suggests the "T-50" factory model number stood for "Twin-engine, five place."

-- Pilawt
 
Hmmm, interesting. By picking that number, they could also do some variants of the NGP named the 178 and the 188. Dunno what they'll do about the 206 replacement tho, 'cuz the 208 is the Caravan series. (Which genius numbered that right in the middle of the piston line anyway? They shoulda called it the 250 or something.)

The 188 already exists, it's the identifier for the Ag Wagon (188A) Ag Truck (188B) and Ag Husky (188C)
 
The 188 already exists, it's the identifier for the Ag Wagon (188A) Ag Truck (188B) and Ag Husky (188C)

Oh yeah. I knew something seemed funny when I was writing that...

What could be used? 159/179/189/209? Did any of those ever exist?
 
What could be used? 159/179/189/209? Did any of those ever exist?
Can't find any reference to anything with those numbers.

Cessna hasn't had many ending in '9' -- a couple of military and research projects, both from the early '50s: 309C (a research test bed investigating boundary layer control wings on a 170 fuselage) and 319 (a development of the Model 305 (L-19/O-1) Bird Dog).

Anybody guess what the Model 318 was? They built a lot of 'em.

-- Pilawt
 
Along the lines of this thread what model numbers have what horse power engine and how does the designation XP and SP fit it with the 172 line?
 
Along the lines of this thread what model numbers have what horse power engine
There's no rhyme or reason to it, and sometimes it varies depending on the year. For example, there have been various incarnations of 172s with engines rated from 145 hp to 210 hp. As was mentioned earlier, only one postwar Cessna model number matches the rated horsepower (the Model 175/Skylark - 1958-62 - had a 175-hp engine).
and how does the designation XP and SP fit it with the 172 line?
'XP' and 'SP' are marketing names, not model numbers. The name "Hawk XP" was used only in connection with the fixed-gear Model R172K (1977-81) with a 195-hp, six-cylinder Continental IO-360 engine and constant-speed propeller.

The R172 series was developed in the mid-1960s with a 210-hp Continental engine. It used the same Type Certificate as the discontinued Model 175. It was first produced (R172E) in 1967 as the military T-41B trainer. The following year a civilian version went into production at Cessna's affiliate in France as the Model FR172E Reims Rocket, but not in the US.

In the mid-1970s Cessna decided to discontinue the Cardinal. To fill its niche in the product line between the Skyhawk and Skylane, they introduced an "Americanized" version of the Reims Rocket, the R172K Hawk XP. Mainly for noise reasons, the engine was de-rated to 195 hp in the US version, though there are conversions available to get that extra hp back.

When Cessna stopped building light singles in the mid-1980s it had two versions of the fixed-gear 172 in the catalog. There was the 172P Skyhawk with a 160-hp Lycoming O-320, and the 172Q Cutlass with a 180-hp Lycoming O-360, both carbureted and both with fixed-pitch prop. The retractable "Cutlass RG" (Model 172RG) had the same O-360, but with constant-speed prop. When they resumed production in 1995, it was at first only the Model 172R Skyhawk, with a fuel-injected Lycoming IO-360, de-rated to 160 hp to match the old Skyhawks. A couple of years later they responded to customer interest by bringing out the "Skyhawk SP" (Model 172S), with the same engine and a different prop, allowing it to put out a full 180 hp. Both the 172R and 172S are in production now, but without looking at the logos or the tachometer it's near impossible to tell them apart.

One of the least-known 172 variants is the Model P172D "172 Powermatic" and the deluxe version, "Skyhawk Powermatic." Only 65 were built, and only in the 1963 model year. The slow-selling Model 175 was discontinued after the 1962 model year, but for one year its 175-hp power plant and constant-speed prop were merged into the restyled 172 line, along with the usual 145-hp 172 and Skyhawk.

-- Pilawt
 
Some info on Cessna models that never made production

http://www.wingsoverkansas.com/murphy/article.asp?id=461

I want a Cessna Skyhook!

http://www.collectair.com/cessna.html

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