Cessna L-19 Crash Video

I think his way out was to the left, and maybe about a mile back.
 
Discussed in three previous threads. :)

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44119&highlight=LzDSq6m2zV4

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49567&highlight=LzDSq6m2zV4

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46481&highlight=LzDSq6m2zV4

I think it was Troy who showed me how to see easily if a YouTube video had already been in a thread... copy just the video ID part (the characters after the v= in the URL but not including anything after that that starts with ? ... in this case "LzDSq6m2zV4" without the quotes...) into the Search at the top of every PoA page... It'll show all the threads that have that specific YouTube video linked.
 
Sad.

I was taught to stay 1000' about the ridges. I realize he was in an area that had terrian rising faster than his climb rate, but it should have been apparent to him he was running out of altitude 5 mins before when you could look through the windscreen and see the mountain was higher than he was. Why he turned right we will never know. :dunno:

Really sad.
 
I saw that video some time ago. I don't remember what led me to it.

The first thing I thought of was "I thought you were supposed to stay 500 feet from any obstacle in lightly populated areas. It also occurred to me that he probably didn't fly a tour in an L19 in Vietnam.

The words "hang on Ronnie!" are a little haunting.

I'm a REAL fan of the L19 and would love to have one, but if I DID have one, I wouldn't be brushing the treetops with it.

My $0.02,
 
The way to avoid it is to not fly around giant rocks that can out-climb your airplane.
 
Having watched it several times, my final impression is that the actual loss of control had little to do with the terrain ahead or their altitude when it happened... DA was near standard, the wreck was found at about 10'000 MSL, and Bird Dogs have a 15,000-ft. service ceiling.He may have been worried about terrain, but if you watch the very end closely, it's just a classic turning stall, made worse by the fact that he either did nothing or yanked the stick back as the horn went off and the nose started bobbing (along with the airplane starting to descend. He didnt have much room below to pitch for airspeed and try to recover, but it would be worth trying... better to hit trees under control than in the first stage of a spin.
 
rottydaddy said:
Having watched it several times, my final impression is that the actual loss of control had little to do with the terrain ahead or their altitude when it happened... DA was near standard, the wreck was found at about 10'000 MSL, and Bird Dogs have a 15,000-ft. service ceiling.He may have been worried about terrain, but if you watch the very end closely, it's just a classic turning stall, made worse by the fact that he either did nothing or yanked the stick back as the horn went off and the nose started bobbing (along with the airplane starting to descend. He didnt have much room below to pitch for airspeed and try to recover, but it would be worth trying... better to hit trees under control than in the first stage of a spin.
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:yeahthat:
 
I agree it was a turning stall...but I think what prompted him to turn so steep was the fact that we waited to long to turn...he knew he was getting to close to that ridge, so panicked and tried to pull off a steep turn with the terrain way to close.
 
denverpilot said:
Discussed in three previous threads. :)

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44119&highlight=LzDSq6m2zV4

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49567&highlight=LzDSq6m2zV4

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46481&highlight=LzDSq6m2zV4

I think it was Troy who showed me how to see easily if a YouTube video had already been in a thread... copy just the video ID part (the characters after the v= in the URL but not including anything after that that starts with ? ... in this case "LzDSq6m2zV4" without the quotes...) into the Search at the top of every PoA page... It'll show all the threads that have that specific YouTube video linked.
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Sorry about that. I'll be sure to check if this has already been discussed before posting another video.
 
steingar said:
The way to avoid it is to not fly around giant rocks that can out-climb your airplane.
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Actually flying around them is good. Flying INTO them is bad. :)

LJS1993 said:
Sorry about that. I'll be sure to check if this has already been discussed before posting another video.
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No big deal, happens all the time... Just sharing the links so you could see the other commentary, since most folks won't re-post their thoughts on a duplicate thread. Easier for someone to just grab the other thread URL and toss it in for anyone who comes across this one later on...
 
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