Cessna 310/320 Why not?

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  1. Pilots Of America Management

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    Nothing that we can see... any more.
     
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    Looks like it's his 1130th post batman. :p
     
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    Think someone has been knobdicking! :eek:
     
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    Really Robin? The guy that revived the thread was PDKJohn or JohnPDK and it was his first post. It looks like that post has since been deleted.
     
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    I was referring to mtuomi, guess I didn't see the one you're referring to. Thanks Batman! :D:D:D
     
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    Does anyone know how this saga ended? Did the OP buy a plane? Is he still around? Did Ted kill someone??? We want to know..:eek::eek::eek: btw, I'm almost out of popcorn..:cool:
     
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    LOL!!!:) Thanks, I may have to take you up on it if this comes back to life...:) This thread was getting so wild, it wasn't until page 5 that I realized it was from 2012. I know there are and have been some major egos here but this one had be tripping. If the OP is not still on here I can understand why.:eek::eek::eek::eek:
     
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    I actually read this entire string of posts. I can't believe some of the "hooey" I've read. I have more than 1,000 hours in 310's -- from the original to the last. I found it to be one of the most pleasant airplanes I have ever flown. Comfortable single pilot IFR, adequate single engine ceiling (for most of the US), 185 kts all day long, and tough as nails. I saw one guy talking about not flying out of grass fields. What kind of grass fields was he talking about? I made 5 trips from central US to Barrow, AK in the same old 310D. Loved every minute of it. Flew one from Arkansas to western NM -- still had an old Lear autopilot -- and it still worked! Love these planes, and I don't think they've ever built a prettier airplane to this day (until they ruined the lines with that back window!)
     
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    Even Penny loved the 310!

    Sky King, realllll old TV series.
     
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    With a twin ,you have a single engine ceiling,with a single ,if you loose the motor,the ground is your ceiling. Just a thought. Had my Travelair for years still miss it.
     
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    Of course, you also have to look at single engine climb performance during all phases of flight to get the full benefit. The 414 has poor OEI performance, which is why my goals for the plane are mostly based around improving its overall performance, which in turn improves OEI performance.

    Once you get about 1,000 ft AGL, then the benefits of the second engine are significant, provided that you are proficient in OEI procedures. The reality is it isn't hard, but there are a lot of twin pilots who are not proficient in what to do if they lose an engine.
     
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    Had to be there -- every Saturday morning! First a T-50 "Bamboo Bomber", then the original 310, and then, I think, a 310C. Sky kept upgrading!
     
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    To my knowledge, the only 310 seen in the TV series was a 310B. A swept-tail 310D was used by Kirby Grant for promotional tours after the series ended. I've heard that might have been his own airplane. I even found a promotional photo of him on the wing of a C-320 Skyknight, with the "Flying Crown" and "Songbird" logos on it.

    Wikipedia says the original Songbird, a Cessna T-50 Bobcat owned by Paul Mantz, was grounded after Episode 39 due to structural wood rot. Googling a little further, an article in an old Cessna T-50 type club newsletter quotes Kirby Grant as saying that two T-50s were used -- one was Mantz's, the other was Grant's own airplane. They were externally identical, except that Mantz's airplane was converted to Lycoming R-680 engines with spinners on the props, and Grant's had the original Jacobs engines without spinners. That article is slightly suspect, though, because it claims the interview with Grant took place in 1987; in fact he was killed in a car wreck in Florida in 1985.

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    (N5348A), the second production 310B, was supplied by Cessna free of charge for the rest of the series after the T-50's retirement. Another 310B, N87832, was also used in a few episodes, but was wrecked in an accident. N5348A was wrecked in a fatal crash in 1962. That registration number is now on a C-320C.

    Though the series was set in Arizona, it was filmed in the Southern California high desert, mostly at the old (now abandoned) Apple Valley Airport, on Highway 18 across the street from the Roy Rogers Inn.
     
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    @Pilawt has a correct description regarding the T-50 and then 310B. There was a lot of stock footage that was reused in episodes, and the house for the "Flying Crown Ranch" was across the street from the airport.

    These days, they'd just use animation. :(
     
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