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I've been watching the show on PBS. Favorite quotes thus far:

There are 7 hot dogs for every bun

It so hot, I saw the devil with a bottle of gatorade
 
It took me some time to get it back together after some lady sailors were told they were limited to only one stuffed animal. The Navy has really gotten tough. I don't know if I could have stood my four years on the Enterprise if I had been limited in this manner!!!
 
Speaking of the Enterprise, did you see that special on the History channel? Looks to be done by the same computer graphics folks that do "Dogfights". I was surprised to learn that the CEO of Enterprise car rental served on the Enterprise and that's where the company's name came from.
 
Enterprise? I almost got killed landing on CVN-65 one night -- on my 23rd birthday, no less. The cake tasted good after that.
 
DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was watching hockey and just saw Steingar's post. I completely forgot about DVRing it. I HATE when that happens!

I've got it now, but when did it start? I caught the last 15 minutes of today's show. It looks great.
 
They're showing each episode here twice each night, back to back.

Maybe it's not as tough as "back in the day" but I think some of that is being hyped by the production team. It's still a job few choose to take and many owe a lot to the few that do.

my favorite quote....from the captain (from MS, no less)..."it's going to be like a Sunday afternoon on the Miss. coast, eat some fried chicken...shoot a few guns"

(or something akin to that)

;)
 
Yep, I caught a couple shows after I got back to the hotel the other night. Good stuff.

Of course, the Nimitz was only the starter... The modern nuclear carrier was perfected with the Ike. :D
 
my favorite quote....from the captain (from MS, no less)..."it's going to be like a Sunday afternoon on the Miss. coast, eat some fried chicken...shoot a few guns"

(or something akin to that)

;)

The only guns the Enterprise had when I was on her was a saluting battery and small arms. IIRC, she was being backfitted with missiles when I got discharged at Hunter's Point shipyard. At that point, she was 4 or 5 years old.

I get some "Shadensfreude" that McNamara's miscarriages (fossil powered carriers built after the Enterprise) are already out of service and the "Big E" is still going.
 
saw it last night - things have changed considerably since my last trap aboard CVN-68 on 16-APR-1980.
 
Some of the stories of the enlisted are incredible! One of the Marine chiefs was abandoned at a carnival by his parents. Another's father had his throat slit by a jealous paramour. Just amazing some of the adversity they overcome.
 
My daughter really likes that program. I do too, by the way.

She's just about to graduate high school and so is almost the same age as the majority of the enlisted crew. She's really starting to appreciate how easy she's had it after hearing some of their stories.

I like it - when I was in jr high/high school I used to drive past the shipyard to and from school each day and was able to watch the Nimitz as it was being built.
 
What year? I was on from early 63 thru late 66 (ships company).
April 10, 1974 -- initial CarQual in the A-6 while going through the RAG and my 23rd birthday. OK, so here's the story...

All pilots go through carrier qualification (CarQuals) during pilot training, once at the end of basic, and again at the end of advanced. No CQ, no wings. OTOH, NFO's get their first look at the back of the boat in type training after they get their wings, and before they go to their first operational squadron. In my case, that was in VA-128, the west coast A-6 training squadron.

For CQ, the trainee pilots are paired with trainee BN's. In my case, the pilot was a bit older than the average nugget. He'd gotten his wings about six years earlier, and gone through CQ in TA-4's at that time, but was sent for his first sea duty tour to a transport squadron to fly admirals up and down the west coast in CT-39's (basically Saberliner 35's in Navy paint) rather than to a carrier-based unit. His next assignment was shore duty -- with the Recruiting Command as a pilot recruiter, where his flying consisted of giving demo rides to potential pilots in T-34's. When he came up for sea duty again, they sent him to A-6's so he'd get a promotion-essential "warfare specialty" before he was up for LCDR.

What nobody really knew was that his eyesight had deteriorated a bit over the six years since his last look at the boat, especially at night. As he had been doing almost no night flying for several years, even he didn't know it. He was pretty good in daylight, when the pupils pinpoint some to improve visual acuity, but at night, with pupils dilated, his uncorrected vision was more like 20/30 or 20/40 -- not quite where it needs to be for seeing the meatball accurately.

We got through our 10 day traps just fine, but when we went back out at night for the required 5 night traps, things got ugly fast. He had me talking him in a bit, but since I'd never made a night carrier landing before, we're talking about the blind leading the blind. After 10 passes, we had four traps, a few bolters, and a couple of wave-offs. On the last pass, he decided that he was not going to miss the wires again, and he got low -- way low.

I'd always known that if you're low, the ball turns red, and that if you get even lower, it starts to flash, but I didn't know that if you get really low, it disappears completely. At that point, everybody (me, the LSO, the Air Boss, and even the Captain of the ship) was hollering "POWER-POWER-POWER!" He got enough power on the plane to level off at about 60 feet on the radar altimeter (just about the height of the deck above water) about a quarter mile behind the ship, and we rolled onto the deck and into the #1 wire. "Trap!" and we're done with CQ (except for the LSO debrief, which was real ugly).

We got out of the plane, headed down to the Ready Room, where, in the old Navy tradition, a birthday cake was waiting for me. We shared some cake, wished for a double-Jack Black, and just shook our heads when those who'd seen us on the Plat asked what happened.

That was our last flight together. He went off to one squadron, and I went to another. I understand that his carrier landings improved dramatically after he stopped at the flight surgeon's office to get a pair of glasses to wear while flying. Last I heard, he'd made CDR and was commanding an A-6 squadron, and I'd fly with him again tomorrow -- as long as he's wearing his glasses.
 
Great story Ron! I haven't seen the show yet, but I've been DVR'ing every episode. I should have some time before the little lady gets home this evening to watch it.
 
I haven't seen much as the TiVo watches it for me, but I notice that all those kids have sores and lousy skin due to all of that grease and oil flying around. That and stifling heat and I hurt just watching them
 
Surprising how many Enterprise alumni are on the board...

'94-'98, Reactor Electrical/Reactor Training Divisions
 
e-mail, pay phones in the passageways, females on a carrier, what's this man's Navy turned in to? ;-) back in the day, there was nothing like getting a letter dated numerous weeks before that said "never mind about the last letter - all the damage is fixed and the insurance is taking care of the rest" ... but you didn't get "that last letter" yet ...

saw way too many young married guys get the "Dear John" letter while deployed - weeks between letters and weeks between port calls ... that's torture for those guys.

USS Nimitz on Gonzo Station 1980 ... 144 days of continuous operation at sea
 
The only guns the Enterprise had when I was on her was a saluting battery and small arms. IIRC, she was being backfitted with missiles when I got discharged at Hunter's Point shipyard. At that point, she was 4 or 5 years old.

I thought she had point defense missiles from the get-go? You're saying she was basically naked? That's scary.

Ron, great story. I bet you're glad to be able to tell it. YIKES!!!!!!!!!!
 
only naked when she didn't have a load out of fully armed Tomcats! ok, crap - Hornets ... I noticed the Hornet drivers are touting this plane as the best fighter ever - but it would be interesting to hear the guys who flew the Tomcats first talk about comparisons.
 
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Greg, you guys relieved us. Bainbridge, CGN 25. We were assigned to Midway and a frigate. I can't remember which one she was.
 
I was on the edge of the chair watching the pitching deck night landing bolters.


That redhead is cute, too.
 
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I was on the edge of the chair watching the pitching deck bolters.

Yeah, I watched that part - twice. When it aired at the normal time, then again when it was re-run later.

Watching that pilot's hands shaking after he got down. wow.
 
Jim - I just dug out the old Cruise book - there's a foldout panel of the 3 carrier task group showing a bunch of small boys which I think is Nimitz relieving Midway, and I think the 3rd might be Kitty Hawk? ... my scanner's down so no go on the photo ... let's see what google turns up

edit - no luck on the photo, but from here: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/n5/nimitz.htm

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23 Jan 1980: Nimitz arrived on Gonzo Station. A goodly company of ships assembled under TG 70.1 for several hours of formation steaming and station keeping, comprising: aircraft carriers Nimitz, Midway (CV-41) and Kitty Hawk; guided missile cruisers Bainbridge (CGN-25), California, Jouett (CG-29) and Texas; guided missile destroyers Berkeley (DDG-15) and Parsons (DDG-33); frigates Knox (FF-1052) and Stein (FF-1065); replenishment oilers Roanoke (AOR-7) and Wabash (AOR-5); and oilers Mispillion (AO-105) and Passumpsic (AO-107). Soviet aircraft, ships and submarines regularly shadowed Nimitz while she operated at Gonzo Station; the bombers consistently forced Tomcat aircrew from VF-41 and VF-84 to intercept and escort them away from the carrier. Soviet modified Kashin class guided missile destroyer Sderzhanny (DDG-286) closely shadowed Nimitz during much of this period. The ship’s standard schedule called for flying five–six flights of aircraft launches–known as cycles–a day for six days, followed by a two day stand down for aircraft maintenance, a grueling experience for her crew. Most of Nimitz’s stand down days nonetheless included launching alert aircraft or conducting helo operations. In addition, the crew performed 10 “no notice drills”–exercises designed to counter missile threats to the battle group–while in the area. The carrier operated principally under Battle Group 2, commanded by RADM James R. Sanderson.
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only naked when she didn't have a load out of fully armed Tomcats! ok, crap - Hornets ... I noticed the Hornet drivers are touting this plane as the best fighter ever - but it would be interesting to hear the guys who flew the Tomcats first talk about comparisons.

She had neither at that time. The air group had F4s, A4s, A1s, Vigilantes. CODs were still radial engined. Actually, she was still made out of wood!:D:D
 
yeah, I think I do recall BPMDS in '80 ... but not real sure
 
This show is excellent. I really like the way it's filmed, the music, and the stories. It is even better in HD.
 
Ron, great story, bet you wish (maybe not!) that you had the video on that...

I hadn't even hard about this "Carrier" program. Will have to try to record it. If you missed any episodes, it looks like PBS has them all available for online viewing:

http://www.pbs.org/weta/carrier/full_episodes.htm

Mike A, in which episode is the pitching deck night landing bolters and cute redhead?
 
Ron, great story, bet you wish (maybe not!) that you had the video on that...

I hadn't even hard about this "Carrier" program. Will have to try to record it. If you missed any episodes, it looks like PBS has them all available for online viewing:

http://www.pbs.org/weta/carrier/full_episodes.htm

Mike A, in which episode is the pitching deck night landing bolters and cute redhead?

Episode 4 "Rights of Passage" In the final, Episode 5, "Get Home Itis; Full Circle" she fights her ex to get her kids flown out to Hawaii for the tiger cruise. It looks like these are 1 hours shows that they've shown two at a time so I'm talking the 2 hour sequences on my TiVo.

Soooo TW,... She's a divorced mom, prolly at this point getting lots of new contacts. :p

I haven't watched enough. She may be on earlier episodes.

What is her position called? She's a controller? I saw where she answered with "Yes sir. Trick or treat 2500. Yes sir." which was an order to refuel one jet in the pattern (during the unable-to-land bolters) with 2500 pounds. I guess she relays that? I'm guessing the air boss and/or captain gives orders and the crew repeats them as on a submarine?
 
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