Can USAF assist ATC?

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  1. Pinecone

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    T-37 and T-38 did not have VHF radios when I flew them.
     
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    Yeah some of the “old school” A model stuff lacked VHF radios. Obviously the T-37 is retired and it’s my understanding the T-38C was upgraded with VHF.
     
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    Just pointing out that there were military aircraft without VHF.

    The A-10A had UHF, VHF, and VHF-FM when I flew it.
     
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    Thread kinda reminds me of work these days. We have certain hospital’s flight ops personnel that sometimes think they’re controllers. They’ll clear you for take off / land when really they have no authority to do so. Or, they try and give a radar type of traffic call using Sky Trac. With a 30 sec refresh rate, by the time they start the transmission the aircraft’s already gone by us. They issue instructions but in reality, it’s nothing more than an advisory service.

    It’s about appropriate ratings and equipment. ATC radar is designed for a certain purpose while tactical radar another purpose. There are required checks for ATC radar alignment and periodic FAA flight checks to ensure it meets specific criteria. There’s a myriad of airspace policies, waivers, LOAs, etc that an E-3 controller would never have memorized. Controllers obviously have to go to a specific school to get an ATC rating (7220-1). Even that doesn’t allow the controller to work aircraft without an endorsement on the back for that particular facility and particular position (GCA, TRACON, ARTCC,etc). That takes months, sometimes years to get.

    So yeah, there’s monitoring a tactical picture and then there’s controlling traffic. Two completely different things. Not trying to say they’re wanna be ATC either. AWACS and ground based tactical controllers serve a critical role in combat. Plenty of examples where AWACS relayed an important piece which provided critical SA to the pilot that they wouldn’t have known. Also, a lack of information provided can lead to disaster (Black Hawk shootdown).
     
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    Where and when did you fly the A-10?
     
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    MD ANG early to mid 80s
     
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    Was going to say that if you flew out of DM in the last 28 years or so, we've probably talked to each other.
     
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    Sorry, never made it to DM. I did my RTU at Barksdale with the 917th AFRES.
     
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    Its okay, we probably wouldn't have remembered anyway. :)